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[dinoiii]

Well, I think I commented on a similar list at DA...unsure. Anyway...a particular comment stuck out to me:

Originally Posted by macedaddy

also, i hesitate to include epistane and HAvoc/others as the same compound. I have done BOTH and they ARE NOT THE SAME!

I've heard this sincerely from many users...so, by default and essential curiosity I am going to ask you to offer up more Jamie if you would be so kind...




Aside: I have a HUGE database of people's perceived effects (subjective) and even blood test results alongside blood pressure readings I have done myself (objective) that would likely do this some justice as a tag-on. I don't want certain companies getting upset that their product had no effect though, so we'll throw it around before we get too overzealous (this is only day #2 for me here now).



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[macedaddy]

Well dinoiii,
I have relationships with both companies and hesitate to upset either one.....

but, it seems to me that while on epi, things are just generally "better" no back pumps, no cramping, etc....

My mood is amazing on epi.

They both kick in REALLY fast, like within the first 3 days. I couldn't flex much while on havoc because I would get cramped. I don't have that at all while on epi. Strength increases seem to be similar on both.

There was easily noticeably increased agression on Havoc.

Now to be fair, i haven't done either compound stand-alone. Those of you that know me well, know that i am a supplement junkie/whore and like to do my stacks. Havoc was a bridge from Pheraplex and was dosed up to 40mgs. I started at 20mgs and ramped it up. Epi is being stacked, currently, with 3-AD. I started at 30mgs of epi 3 weeks ago and am at 50mgs currently. The 3-AD is at 750mg (6 caps).

Dinoiii, you will probably not find this too helpful as I didn't isolate either compound, but i had done several 3-AD in the past and know that the effects were from epi rather than 3-AD. and my general feedback is similar to others that have taken either compound.

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

Well dinoiii,
I have relationships with both companies and hesitate to upset either one.....

but, it seems to me that while on epi, things are just generally "better" no back pumps, no cramping, etc....

My mood is amazing on epi.

They both kick in REALLY fast, like within the first 3 days. I couldn't flex much while on havoc because I would get cramped. I don't have that at all while on epi. Strength increases seem to be similar on both.

There was easily noticeably increased agression on Havoc.

Now to be fair, i haven't done either compound stand-alone. Those of you that know me well, know that i am a supplement junkie/whore and like to do my stacks. Havoc was a bridge from Pheraplex and was dosed up to 40mgs. I started at 20mgs and ramped it up. Epi is being stacked, currently, with 3-AD. I started at 30mgs of epi 3 weeks ago and am at 50mgs currently. The 3-AD is at 750mg (6 caps).

Dinoiii, you will probably not find this too helpful as I didn't isolate either compound, but i had done several 3-AD in the past and know that the effects were from epi rather than 3-AD. and my general feedback is similar to others that have taken either compound.

mace, i respect ya, but im with sinner and always have been of the mindset than an epithio is an epithio. Im sure there are minor differences between them.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by macedaddy

Well dinoiii,
I have relationships with both companies and hesitate to upset either one.....

but, it seems to me that while on epi, things are just generally "better" no back pumps, no cramping, etc....

My mood is amazing on epi.

They both kick in REALLY fast, like within the first 3 days. I couldn't flex much while on havoc because I would get cramped. I don't have that at all while on epi. Strength increases seem to be similar on both.

There was easily noticeably increased agression on Havoc.

Now to be fair, i haven't done either compound stand-alone. Those of you that know me well, know that i am a supplement junkie/whore and like to do my stacks. Havoc was a bridge from Pheraplex and was dosed up to 40mgs. I started at 20mgs and ramped it up. Epi is being stacked, currently, with 3-AD. I started at 30mgs of epi 3 weeks ago and am at 50mgs currently. The 3-AD is at 750mg (6 caps).

Dinoiii, you will probably not find this too helpful as I didn't isolate either compound, but i had done several 3-AD in the past and know that the effects were from epi rather than 3-AD. and my general feedback is similar to others that have taken either compound.

Actually, sometimes I find the information helpful because not only does it aid in addressing people's stack potential in the future, but it could also address the potential that exists of a protective mechanism from a particular side effect (in this case, the lowly "back pump" which dinoiii has offered the model for that you have obviously not read, but I won't fault you for it - who the hell could keep up with all of my writing, really? That said, I found your info interesting actually.


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[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

mace, i respect ya, but im with sinner and always have been of the mindset than an epithio is an epithio. Im sure there are minor differences between them.

i agree........i like the analogy that sinner put up abut the beer. But, i was simply elaborating on what dinoiii had asked....

[macedaddy]

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Actually, sometimes I find the information helpful because not only does it aid in addressing people's stack potential in the future, but it could also address the potential that exists of a protective mechanism from a particular side effect (in this case, the lowly "back pump" which dinoiii has offered the model for that you have obviously not read, but I won't fault you for it - who the hell could keep up with all of my writing, really? That said, I found your info interesting actually.


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oh i've read mroe than enough of the dinoiii mindset! But, how would i know what compounds CAUSE the back pump if i took the proper precaustions against them? see, Dinoiii, i am a little bit of a scientist myself. I do have an associate degree in Biology. So i started out on the right foot...........went to other things after that, but still have the experimentation bone in me! why do you think i experiment and mega dose AX and other supps? it is purely for knowledge to help the consumer.........

I NEVER recommend anything unless i myself have done it FIRST and in the exact method..........

[Mass_69]

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Pheraplex/Phera Vol
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
...
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.

Ergomax LMG
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers


Halodrol-50, and Clones
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-4-ene-3,17 diol


1,4 AD / Bold
Dosages: 300-800mg
...This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

I don't know if it is too late to edit the original list, but I found a few things to add/correct:

ErgoMax LMG was actually a combination of 2-ene & 3-ene, meaning it also contained 17a-methyl-5a-androst-3-ene-17b-ol. The 3-ene was what was thought to make ErgoMax more androgenic & "dirtier" than PheraPlex.

The nomenclature for Halodrol-50 is incorrect, as it is a diene: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol

Also, the nomenclature for 1,4AD is missing. It should be: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione. There was also a -diol version, referred to as "1,4ADD."

[Sampson]

Originally Posted by Mass_69

I don't know if it is too late to edit the original list, but I found a few things to add/correct:

ErgoMax LMG was actually a combination of 2-ene & 3-ene, meaning it also contained 17a-methyl-5a-androst-3-ene-17b-ol. The 3-ene was what was thought to make ErgoMax more androgenic & "dirtier" than PheraPlex.

The nomenclature for Halodrol-50 is incorrect, as it is a diene: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol

Also, the nomenclature for 1,4AD is missing. It should be: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione. There was also a -diol version, referred to as "1,4ADD."

I will edit right now. Thanks for the heads up Mass!

Edit: Alright, should be all updated. If you would take a quick glance to make sure they are right now that would be great! Also, since we dont have 1,4ADD up there, would you be willing to do a quick writeup in that same format for that??

Thanks again
Jordan

[Mass_69]

Originally Posted by LeanBulk

I will edit right now. Thanks for the heads up Mass!

Edit: Alright, should be all updated. If you would take a quick glance to make sure they are right now that would be great! Also, since we dont have 1,4ADD up there, would you be willing to do a quick writeup in that same format for that??

Thanks again
Jordan

You could probably toss 1,4ADD in the 1,4AD section as a side note. In all honesty, I have never tried it and did not hear/read a lot of feedback on it. The only difference I know of is that it does not aromatize. I would expect the conversion rate to boldenone to be somewhat higher.

The rest of the post looks great. Thanks LB.

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by Mass_69

I don't know if it is too late to edit the original list, but I found a few things to add/correct:

ErgoMax LMG was actually a combination of 2-ene & 3-ene, meaning it also contained 17a-methyl-5a-androst-3-ene-17b-ol. The 3-ene was what was thought to make ErgoMax more androgenic & "dirtier" than PheraPlex.

The nomenclature for Halodrol-50 is incorrect, as it is a diene: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol

Also, the nomenclature for 1,4AD is missing. It should be: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione. There was also a -diol version, referred to as "1,4ADD."

I blame DA! I'm pretty sure I cut & pasted the HD nomenclature off a clone writeup from their website.

Aww, I'm just pointin' fingers. This was my bad folks.