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chad1981 · 02-06-2009, 10:17 PM

1. Has anyone stacked XTREME TREN from tfs and M-DROL from cel? 2. Planning on either stacking or bridging the 2... which would be recommended?
Going to take CYCLE ASSIST by CEL, super pump 250, multi vitamins, glutamine, taurine, joint support along with the cycle.

Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated...

**Supa-T** · 02-06-2009, 11:52 PM

stats? lifting and ph experience?

chad1981 · 02-06-2009, 11:57 PM

age: 27
5'8", 165 lbs., 6% bf

Lift 6 days a week.

Ran h-drol once with decent gains.

**Supa-T** · 02-07-2009, 12:17 AM

Then don't run both. At 6% BF I assume you are intending on doing a bulking cycle, correct?

In that case run the M-Drol and save the Tren for a spring cut cycle. Stacking the two will not bring better gains in mass than the M-Drol by itself.

The most important part of the equation here is going to be diet my friend. At your age and body size you are looking at probably 3500-3700 kCals a day for a good bulk. I was of similar size when I ran this compound a couple years ago and I put on 14lbs after running PCT (which is also going to be very important if you want to keep your new mass and strength).
Front-loading the cycle assist for a week or two is a good idea. I ran it at 10/20/30/20 (I had to cut back to 20 b/c 30 was too much). And if I had it to do again I would have run a tighter PCT. But the gains were off the charts, everyone accused me of sticking needles in my butt.
I would check out the PCT part of this board and get some more insight. Mine is a bit pricey now, as I tend to do the more-is-better:
HDx2 1/2/3/1
MassFx 3/3/2/2
Tamox 20/20/10/10
Trib @ 2000mg's a day until I can't control the hard ons
Coconut oil 2T/day divided
If I stack something or take something seriously suppressive I would add Clom 200/300/200
I have no experience with Torem or Ralox but I hear really good things about them.

chad1981 · 02-07-2009, 10:13 AM

Thanks for the response Supa-T!

Could I run m-drol at the beginning and then 3 weeks into the cycle start low dose of tren and finish off with tren? trying to bulk, but only about 10 pounds lean muscle right now. Im still looking at my options for PCT, I will check yours out.

GQ-Nemesis · 02-07-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chad1981

Thanks for the response Supa-T!

Could I run m-drol at the beginning and then 3 weeks into the cycle start low dose of tren and finish off with tren? trying to bulk, but only about 10 pounds lean muscle right now. Im still looking at my options for PCT, I will check yours out.

yeah supaT gave excellent advice .. if u run 3weeks of mdrol ..and ure goal is to gain around 10lbs only .. u wont need anything else .. i would save the tren and spend more on PCT so u can keep most of your gains .. also save the superpump .. u wont need it along with mdrol ..or ull be getting back pumps

also have some bulk taurine handy when running mdrol

good luck

chad1981 · 02-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Thanks for the advice Supa-T and GQ-nemesis!

Im actually planning on running the m-drol for 4 weeks though. What gains realistically could i expect off a M-drol cycle? Im a hard gainer... Take in 3000 calories now and 2gms per pound of weight in protein.

I only got 5 pounds off the h-drol cycle on the same diet and intense training.

Just worried im not going to gain much on it...

GeekPoop · 02-07-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chad1981

age: 27
5'8", 165 lbs., 6% bf

Lift 6 days a week.

Ran h-drol once with decent gains.

Eat some more, you can put on about 15lbs through good diet and training NP. PH would be a waste IMO

Badsanta488 · 02-07-2009, 06:58 PM

id pick tren over mdrol personally, since its a non-methyl and the sides will be a lot easier

i dont think mdrol is something you want to mess with for a second cycle