Torem

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

my rat just finished his phera/SD bridge cycle. 6 weeks long. he is using tamox at 40/40/40 for the first 3 days, then 20 for the remainder of the first week. 20mg for week 2, then 10mg for the last 2 weeks. While also usin DTH as his natty T booster. Those are some big tabs to get a rat to take!!! LOL. i believe too many bro's these days are abusing and misusing SERMS i their research. more is not better by any means. most studies i've seen use 20-40mg and there isn't much of a difference in results with the 2 doses. there is NO benefit when they go above 40mg. the patients just experience more sides. i know these are breast cancer studies, but still. depending on the cycle, nolva at 40/30/20/10 along with clomid at 50mg for 4 weeks would make a great PCT for a rather suppressive cycle IMO.

Yes u are exactly right people are too quick to listen to steroid gurus who tell them to use clomid and nolvadex at super high doses. Tomax is effective at 20-40mg and clomid from 20-50mg and that is it.

[GotTest]

I think Doc listed his preference in SERMS in regard to HTPA recovery as:
1. Clomid
2. Ralox
3. Torem
4. Tamox

My rats have used Ralox and Torem. My rats didn't seem as "emotional" on Ralox, but very "touchy" when dosed with Torem. Both were run with AI as well as nattys.

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by GotTest

I think Doc listed his preference in SERMS in regard to HTPA recovery as:
1. Clomid
2. Ralox
3. Torem
4. Tamox

My rats have used Ralox and Torem. My rats didn't seem as "emotional" on Ralox, but very "touchy" when dosed with Torem. Both were run with AI as well as nattys.

Ok thanks i appreciate your feedback,did your pets exp anything else on torem[good/bad]
and what was the duration taken and again thanks.

[GotTest]

Nothing "bad" with Torem other than the "emotional" part. The little guy's libido and strength (lifting his block of cheese ) always seem to take a hit the first couple weeks of PCT, but testicular atrophy is NEVER a problem.

I always follow the 4 weeks of PCT.
SERM tapered down
AI started third day and tapered up then run 1/2 dose on week 4. ALWAYS suicidal AI's (6-bromo, formestane, 6-oxo).

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by GotTest

Nothing "bad" with Torem other than the "emotional" part. The little guy's libido and strength (lifting his block of cheese ) always seem to take a hit the first couple weeks of PCT, but testicular atrophy is NEVER a problem.

I always follow the 4 weeks of PCT.
SERM tapered down
AI started third day and tapered up then run 1/2 dose on week 4. ALWAYS suicidal AI's (6-bromo, formestane, 6-oxo).

Which one of the abv AI's did you use with torem?

[GotTest]

TD Form.
It really gave me.. I mean the rats, a bad rash on their chest, so I tapered it off week 3.

I've used the 6Bromo with Ralox. AX HDX2 is pricey so I went with the TD Form.
I liked the 6Bromo better... more convenient popping pill then rubbing Form on a rats nips. LOL
Gonna give 6-oxo a shot in PCT with the Halo/ 11-oxo stack next go around.
SERM... hmmm...would like to try Natty boost without SERM, but will have to play it by ear.

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by GotTest

TD Form.
It really gave me.. I mean the rats, a bad rash on their chest, so I tapered it off week 3.

I've used the 6Bromo with Ralox. AX HDX2 is pricey so I went with the TD Form.
I liked the 6Bromo better... more convenient popping pill then rubbing Form on a rats nips. LOL
Gonna give 6-oxo a shot in PCT with the Halo/ 11-oxo stack next go around.
SERM... hmmm...would like to try Natty boost without SERM, but will have to play it by ear.

Good deal think i am going to use clomid/nolv both at 20mg and use either 6-bromo or
bcs formadex with the abv again at a ssmall dose.

[ajensen11]

What do you guys think about combining Torem 120(3days)90(4days)/60/60/30 and Clomid 50/50/50/50 after a really suppressive cycle, though all cycles are extremely suppressive to me.

Im using just the Torem protocol on my current PCT but my next cycle will be a little worse, and longer. Plus I have Clomid that I don't know what to do with. And T3 too....

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by ajensen11

What do you guys think about combining Torem 120(3days)90(4days)/60/60/30 and Clomid 50/50/50/50 after a really suppressive cycle, though all cycles are extremely suppressive to me.

Im using just the Torem protocol on my current PCT but my next cycle will be a little worse, and longer. Plus I have Clomid that I don't know what to do with. And T3 too....

50mg a day is too high for clomid for that duration,maybe 50 first week then down to 20-25mg and that torem dose looks to be too high. Start at 60mg and taper down. Serms are always dosed to high.