Torem

[mad dog]

How is Torem as far as HPTA recovery and how does it compare to clomid in this area?
any help would be useful?

[growstrong]

I would love to know as well as I will be experimenting with it this time around!

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by growstrong

I would love to know as well as I will be experimenting with it this time around!

yeah GS i ahve used clomid/nolv numerous times annd rec great results,but torem is the
new/exciting analog that has me interested. Just wondering if effects on HPTA rival clomids which are proven and profound.

[growstrong]

yep couldnt say that better myself! exited to try but want some info first!

[bassgod272]

sorry to post the link from here, but: Toremifene Blood Work

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

sorry to post the link from here, but: Toremifene Blood Work

That limk was very helpful and from the feedback i have been rec torem is comp and works
quicker than clomid even though i dont think u need to load. Now i want to know about
the duration u can stay on torem because u can act stay on clomid for ext per[year or more]. esp at small doses which are very effective. To many people dose/abuse clomid
and nolvadex too high and for too long.

[bassgod272]

from what i've read, torem is superb for HPTA recovery. it is better than tamox, but nobody seems to have a definitive answer as to whether or not it's better than clomid. those who have used it say that both their boys and libido come back in full force rather quickly. unfortunately i'm currently using tamox on my breast tissue samples, but during my next experiment, i will definitely get torem.

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by mad dog

That limk was very helpful and from the feedback i have been rec torem is comp and works
quicker than clomid even though i dont think u need to load. Now i want to know about
the duration u can stay on torem because u can act stay on clomid for ext per[year or more]. esp at small doses which are very effective. To many people dose/abuse clomid
and nolvadex too high and for too long.

Fertil Steril. 2007 Apr 3; : 17412336

The beneficial effects of toremifene administration on the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis and sperm parameters in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia.

[My paper] Dimitrios Farmakiotis , Christos Farmakis , David Rousso , Anargyros Kourtis , Ilias Katsikis , Dimitrios Panidis

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate whether toremifene, a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM), has a beneficiary effect on all three main sperm parameters. DESIGN: Prospective interventional clinical study. SETTING: University hospital. PATIENT(S): One-hundred subfertile men with idiopathic oligozospermia. INTERVENTION(S): Toremifene (60 mg daily) was administered to all men for 3 months. At baseline and at the end of each month, serum concentrations of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, inhibin B, and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) were measured. At baseline and at the end, semen analysis was performed and sperm concentration, spermatozoal motility and normal sperm forms were determined. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Gonadotropin, testosterone, inhibin-B levels, total sperm count, sperm morphology and motility. RESULT(S): Toremifene administration resulted in a significant increase in FSH, testosterone, SHBG, and inhibin B levels, as well as in sperm concentration, percentage motility and normal sperm forms. Twenty-two men's partners achieved pregnancy within 2 months of the end of treatment. At the end of the third month, serum FSH levels were significantly higher in the men whose partners did not achieve pregnancy, and total sperm count and normal sperm forms were significantly lower compared with the group of men whose partners achieved pregnancy. CONCLUSION(S): Toremifene administration for a period of 3 months in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia is associated with significant improvements of sperm count, motility, and morphology, mediated by increased gonadotropin secretion and possibly a direct beneficial effect of toremifene on the testes. The above findings are also indicative of a better testicular exocrine (improved sperm parameters) response to treatment in men whose partners achieved pregnancy compared with those who did not. Further randomized, placebo-controlled trials should be conducted to determine whether this particular selective estrogen receptor modulator can be useful as an initial approach in men with oligozoospermia.

this isn't a year, but 3 months is IMO a long time to be on a SERM.

[bassgod272]

what is your reasoning for wanting to stay on such items for a year??

[mad dog]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

from what i've read, torem is superb for HPTA recovery. it is better than tamox, but nobody seems to have a definitive answer as to whether or not it's better than clomid. those who have used it say that both their boys and libido come back in full force rather quickly. unfortunately i'm currently using tamox on my breast tissue samples, but during my next experiment, i will definitely get torem.

Yeah i am going to change my course and use torem for my pct in a couple of weeks
over clomid and nolvadex. I would like to know the duration people actually stay on this
compound. Clomid can be used at 20-25mg effectively for over a year and not exp any
shutdown at all and i know torem is dosed at 60mg.