anyone ever used clen on a bulk?

TerribleTowel · 05-21-2008, 09:17 PM

First off, don't bash me. I understand the traditional use for clen and how is traditionally used. I have used it before with great results on a cut. So...

Has anyone ever used clen on a natty bulk? (Personally I don't think there would be any need if running AAS). Clen is suppose to be a very powerful repartitioner and this would definitely be beneficial while bulking. Also the obvious fat loss benefits of clen would help counteract some of the bodyfat that is sure to come on a bulk. So would it not possibly help to keep gains lean or possibly even help you to add muscle while losing bodyfat?

Anyways, all thoughts are welcomed and I realize this may go against the normal train of thought, but I'm constantly thinking outside the box.

yeashescool · 05-22-2008, 12:46 AM

I guess it could be used, but deff would not recommend it. It would be very hard to bulk because of some say it has strong appetite suppressing properties, plus others say its eats away at muscle. Depending on how you respond to clen, its really your call. IMO i just think it be too hard to stay anabloic on clen, while bulking. Good luck tho

TerribleTowel · 05-22-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by yeashescool

I guess it could be used, but deff would not recommend it. It would be very hard to bulk because of some say it has strong appetite suppressing properties, plus others say its eats away at muscle. Depending on how you respond to clen, its really your call. IMO i just think it be too hard to stay anabloic on clen, while bulking. Good luck tho

I wasn't really considering doing it myself, but it was just something I had thought about. Figured I would make a post about it and see what others thought.

As far as clen eating away at muscle, I don't really agree, at least in my experience. The one time I ran clen, I maintained muscle mass very well, and I was eating maintenance calories and doing lots of cardio.

Maybe albuterol would be a better option on a bulk. Not for the sake of trying to shed fat while bulking, but just for repartitioning benefits and for keeping gains leaner. I know a bunch of us here were recently discussing the anabolic effects of albuterol at higher than normal doses.

bassgod272 · 05-22-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yeashescool

I guess it could be used, but deff would not recommend it. It would be very hard to bulk because of some say it has strong appetite suppressing properties, plus others say its eats away at muscle. Depending on how you respond to clen, its really your call. IMO i just think it be too hard to stay anabloic on clen, while bulking. Good luck tho

clen during a bulk wouldn't make any sense really. yea it would keep you from gaining fat, but IMO it should only be used to cut. it WOULD help you to not put on fat though, so to answer your question bro(TT) yea it would work. to "shescool" clen does NOT "eat away" at muscle. clen is ANTIcatabolic. it PREVENTS muscle loss. who ever told you that information is an idiot. and no, it would NOT be hard to stay anabolic whle using clen LMAO. wow. clen is not a compound that some respond one way to and some reposnd another way. it stimulates your CNS, increases your body temperature, INCREASES protein synthesis, etc. that is what it does, period. sorry bro, not trying to be a dick or anything, but people need to have information that is correct.

ENIGMA · 05-22-2008, 02:47 PM

I think it would be much more effective to just do a clean bulk and watch what your eating and maintain a good cardio schedule, and then when your desired bulk weight is accomplished to use clen to get rid of the excess fat you put on.

TerribleTowel · 08:09 PM

I agree with bass, I certainly do not feel that it would be hard to stay anabolic while using clen, especially if eating above maintenance. Clen is anti-catabolic, and because of it's repartitioning abilities I feel that it could possibly even be anabolic. It would just be interesting in my opinion to give it a go during a natty bulk. I do not mean to imply that I think clen would be used through the bulk, but maybe for two weeks at a time, followed by two or three weeks off, and then repeated throughout the length of the cycle. I think it would prove interesting, because as you know, even with a clean bulk it is essentially impossible to add muscle without fat. Maybe the use of clen would allow you to avoid (or at least limit) fat gain during a bulk, plus the benefits of clen's repartitioning abilities.

I'm not trying to suggest that using clen on a bulk would result in great muscle gains and absolutely no fat gain, but I'm just wondering the extent to which it would benefit you, as I don't think it could possibly hinder gains.

TerribleTowel · 05-22-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bassgod272

INCREASES protein synthesis

One of the main reasons I feel that it could possibly prove beneficial.

TerribleTowel · 05-22-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ENIGMA

I think it would be much more effective to just do a clean bulk and watch what your eating and maintain a good cardio schedule, and then when your desired bulk weight is accomplished to use clen to get rid of the excess fat you put on.

This is definitely the traditional way of doing things, but I just like to broaden my horizons once in a while and when a unique thought pops into my head, that I think has some sound reasoning to back it, I like to discuss it with others who may have more knowledge or experience than myself.

Who knows, maybe I'll give it a try in the future. It can't hurt anything.

bassgod272 · 05-22-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TerribleTowel

This is definitely the traditional way of doing things, but I just like to broaden my horizons once in a while and when a unique thought pops into my head, that I think has some sound reasoning to back it, I like to discuss it with others who may have more knowledge or experience than myself.

Who knows, maybe I'll give it a try in the future. It can't hurt anything.

clen + aas = bad heart. that'd be my only concern really. i personally would do what enigma suggested. clean bulk THEN use clen to shed off any excess fat you may have put on. it really is possible to bulk and not put on fat. you just need to know when and how to include carbs in your diet, how much to consume, how many cals you burn in a day, etc. clean bulking is just like cutting in the sense of diet. you MUST be very strict in order for it to truly work the way it is supposed to.

TerribleTowel · 05-22-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bassgod272

clen + aas = bad heart. that'd be my only concern really. i personally would do what enigma suggested. clean bulk THEN use clen to shed off any excess fat you may have put on. it really is possible to bulk and not put on fat. you just need to know when and how to include carbs in your diet, how much to consume, how many cals you burn in a day, etc. clean bulking is just like cutting in the sense of diet. you MUST be very strict in order for it to truly work the way it is supposed to.

Don't worry I wouldn't use clen in conjunction with AAS. I just don't see the need, plus the reason you mentioned.

Not necessarily saying it's impossible to add muscle without any fat, but just very difficult. I also think it depends on the individual and how their body responds. Some people can easily gain pure muscle, but others have to diet strictly just to add any muscle at all and have to be willing to accept some fat gain.

I most likely will stick to the tried and true method of bulking then cutting off the unwanted fat, utilizing clen during the cutting phase if at all. The idea simply crept into my cranium the other day and I figured I'd get some opinions.