Cut this clown up!

[spaceclown]

Alright folks give me the lowdown on your opinions of cutting products available at most research site. I am looking for a cutting agent but not an appetite supressant even though I understand this may happen anyway.

Clen - The oldie but a goodie. Is the sides as bad as I hear? Any troubles sleeping when dosing at night?

Albuterol - Seems to be gaining popularity. Worth it?

ECA - Listed because well its what I use, love and works. Are the 2 above much more effective? Being different products can you cycle something like 2 weeks ECA, 2 weeks Albuterol or are they working in the same pathways.

Oh please feel free to post about T-3 (Cytomel), Rimonabant (Acomplia).

I guess I should post that yes diet and training are the most important aspects of cutting yada yada.
Thanks guys

[ENIGMA]

Clen sides are not that bad. The only ones i have experienced were headaches, shakes, and cramping. The cramping and shakes were the worst. Waking up in the middle of the night with your leg or foot cramped up is the worst feeling and writing is a pain in the ass if your dose gets too high. Cramping can be reduced or eliminated if you take a taurine and potassium supplement. Clenbuterol can also make you a little hotter, so you will notice it will take less to make you sweat.

I have only use albuterol once, and i liked clen better so i havent used it since.

ECA is a good option as well. It basically feels like a mild clen cycle. I actually like ECA more in the aspect that i am hyper as hell and have a good sense of well being compared to clen when i sometimes feel lethargic. The only bad side effect i had was sometimes a little shaky, and it makes me sweat a good deal(especially with real ephedra).

I have never used T3, and it is probably the most dangerous compound you are considering using. It is in my opinion the most risky weight loss supplement you can use, right behind DNP. I have never wanted to mess around with my thyroid, especially at a young age. IMO T3 should not be used solo, without a solid AAS cycle to back it. This ensures you are losing fat, while retaining muscle mass.

If you have never used a fat loss supplement definately stick with an ECA or even an EC stack. It will give you great results as long as diet and training are in check. Then when your ready, make the move to clen/albuterol. IMO you can get to a very low body fat without having to touch T3.

[spaceclown]

Thanks 4 for the input. I have used ECA but have considered Clen and Albuterol both. These would only be utilized if 2 months out my progress is not where it needs to be. It's a toss up between Clen and Albuterol. I am still researching peoples opinion that have ran both.

[dinoiii]

Originally Posted by ENIGMA

Clen sides are not that bad. The only ones i have experienced were headaches, shakes, and cramping. The cramping and shakes were the worst. Waking up in the middle of the night with your leg or foot cramped up is the worst feeling and writing is a pain in the ass if your dose gets too high. Cramping can be reduced or eliminated if you take a taurine and potassium supplement. Clenbuterol can also make you a little hotter, so you will notice it will take less to make you sweat.

I have only use albuterol once, and i liked clen better so i havent used it since.

ECA is a good option as well. It basically feels like a mild clen cycle. I actually like ECA more in the aspect that i am hyper as hell and have a good sense of well being compared to clen when i sometimes feel lethargic. The only bad side effect i had was sometimes a little shaky, and it makes me sweat a good deal(especially with real ephedra).

I have never used T3, and it is probably the most dangerous compound you are considering using. It is in my opinion the most risky weight loss supplement you can use, right behind DNP. I have never wanted to mess around with my thyroid, especially at a young age. IMO T3 should not be used solo, without a solid AAS cycle to back it. This ensures you are losing fat, while retaining muscle mass.

If you have never used a fat loss supplement definately stick with an ECA or even an EC stack. It will give you great results as long as diet and training are in check. Then when your ready, make the move to clen/albuterol. IMO you can get to a very low body fat without having to touch T3.

Nice post!


D_

[ENIGMA]

Originally Posted by spaceclown

Thanks 4 for the input. I have used ECA but have considered Clen and Albuterol both. These would only be utilized if 2 months out my progress is not where it needs to be. It's a toss up between Clen and Albuterol. I am still researching peoples opinion that have ran both.

They are very similar, it really just comes down to personal preference.

Originally Posted by dinoiii

Nice post!


D_

Thank you!

[RisingAgainst]

Bro, I have never lost more weight (I recently dropped from 218-222ish to my current 195-198ish) with a good solid DIET, some very intense exercise and normal physical labor at work, constantly being active and keeping your metabolism the same way, and some ECA... lol I am blown away at how my muscle mass hasn't gone away at all, and my strength has only dropped slightly..

[muad33b]

Originally Posted by RisingAgainst

Bro, I have never lost more weight (I recently dropped from 218-222ish to my current 195-198ish) with a good solid DIET, some very intense exercise and normal physical labor at work, constantly being active and keeping your metabolism the same way, and some ECA... lol I am blown away at how my muscle mass hasn't gone away at all, and my strength has only dropped slightly..

I'm going to have to agree... I mean either you're loosing 2lbs/week while eating a proper high-protein diet (i.e. and not loosing muscle) or your not... having tried all of these (cept T3; echo ENIGMA on that one, though I am on T2 right now; i.e. PBL TRX / SAN Thyrocuts II) I think the Clen and Alb are over-hyped... I mean how much better are they then Ephedra/Guarna (as D_ has convinced me that caffeine isn't a usefull addition, and Aspirin is a wash) maybe 5%? In return for that, you get the increased sides of clen, which I don't like (including decreased gylcogen storage, which I found to hurt performance) and the (agreed, debatable) increased risk...

Now, that being said, I DID like Alb as a performance enhancement for endurance activities... (hampster-wheel activies [as D_ puts them] are easier) but to run it as a cut is too expensive (as you need high dosages) and I think less effective then Ephedrine...

[thedude]

I'm seeing people talking about the ephedrine, but wasn't ephedra banned in 2004? I had heard and read that ephedra was banned and the only type you could get was american ephedra which has no ephedrine in it...

[jomi822]

i have used clen abluterol and ECA


albuterol is my favorite for 2 reasons-
1. it actually improves my endurance
2. its slightly anabolic

i had no problem sleeping. twice a day dosing is required with albuterol. 6-10mgs a day does it for most. expect to sweat like a mother and to watch BP, but the nice little anabolic kick is so worth it.

patrick arnold also agrees with the slight anabolism in albuterol.

[Right Hook]

Originally Posted by jomi822

i have used clen abluterol and ECA


albuterol is my favorite for 2 reasons-
1. it actually improves my endurance
2. its slightly anabolic

i had no problem sleeping. twice a day dosing is required with albuterol. 6-10mgs a day does it for most. expect to sweat like a mother and to watch BP, but the nice little anabolic kick is so worth it.

patrick arnold also agrees with the slight anabolism in albuterol.

I liked albuterol as well. Mainly for the sole reason that I could do cardio forever with that shit! Having said that I still may try albuterol and ECA on my next cut.