Proviron

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by B-natural

Sorry brotha, and yes they are VERY close, except for the initial 1-methyl, but I still think there is a lot more hype than the product will produce. I don't see you buying anything like proviron, nor would I, but once it gets released, we'll have to see solo unsponsored logs. I'm guessing this product will need to be dosed extremely high, compared to what they promote, to see results (especially if ran solo).

Again, it's speculation, but to release info on a product that is now getting held up due to whatever reason, then toss up a thread to say what are you stacking it with? It sounds pretty weak to me, and we both know that proviron is best stacked, otherwise also very weak. Again, more speculation, but still....

I agree about the high doses needed to see decent gains. The relative lack of significant liver toxicity sounds interesting tho and it's not marketing BS.

[B-natural]

it doesn't sound like marketing bs for the liver toxicity, but I just find it interesting that VT stated it was going to replace halo and phera in ppl's cycles.

[THEHUGE]

Originally Posted by B-natural

it doesn't sound like marketing bs for the liver toxicity, but I just find it interesting that VT stated it was going to replace halo and phera in ppl's cycles.

What did you expect from an iforce guy?

[B-natural]

a lot considering i was a fan of the iforce crew in the past but apparently things have changed
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[timfwheeler]

Well, about that Protodrol, its just methyl-DHT missing the 3 keto group (you could say the penis on the left side of the structure with the oxygen attached...). Dont expect it to work much different than methyl-DHT. Anyone who tried methyl-DHT knows it just didnt do jack besides maybe dry someone out.

And about that liver issue, just because it dosent increase the bilirubin levels, dosent mean its not hepatotoxic (or for that matter carcinogenic). There are other markers that are involved with hepatotoxicity, take for instance Winstrol, little does anyone know Winstrol will not cause a strong decrease of glutathione in the liver, where oxymetholone and methyltestosterone (amongst others) will. But, Winstrol will increase lactate dehydrogenase (marker of tissue damage) which other 17-a methyl's will. Since Protodrol and Winstrol both lack the 3-keto group, but has the 17-a methyl group, you might take a step and say that the hepatoxicity of the 2 will likely act similar, and assume Protodrol likely wont cause a strong decrease of glutathione in the liver, but likely will increase lactate dehydrogenase. It would be unwise to assume Protodrol will not cause any liver stress.

Anyways, if you take Proviron, depending on your size, you usually want 100-150mg/day if not more. It depends on if you want to use it as an anti-e when on test or for gains. For an anti-e 25mg 3xday should be good. For gains, 150mg or more per day (for males).

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[LLLLern]

[Force of Green Labs]

Proviron has poor oral bioavailability, despirte it's 1-methyl group. Source some powder and put it in a transdermal. A good carrier will yield 100mg per serving with about 60-70% absorption as compared to 15% oral avail. 200mg of topical Proviron would be pretty killer with a high dose of test cyp or enanthate.