Thanks Primordial and MaxGolf...

[Force of Green Labs]

Originally Posted by brad1224

DO WORK KYLE!!!

im in for the ride, diet looks solid!

Thanks Brad. I'm hoping to gain some solid weight and lose some fat. I think it's definitely possible with this combo. Definitely.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Force of Green Labs

I got impatient and started the stack today. I must say that the DHEA and pregnenolone in the 1-T give me a very heightened sense of awareness and some anxiety. I'm good though with the G-Force and some theanine (along with my other meds), but I can definitely feel it. Today is an off-day, but I have a good feeling about this 1-T.

I like the new toco-8 container (used to the older one) and the taste is still good as always.

I applied 4 pumps of the Dermaterm Target to abs, chest, and love-handles (not that there's that much there). I'll be applying it 2x per day, maybe 3x per day. I'll just buy more if I run out early.

QUESTION FOR PP REPS: If I'm using the Dermatherm Target on my entire midsection and chest, that means I only have my arms and shoulders to apply the 1-T to. It works, though it takes a while to dry. Is the absorption rate going to still be decent since there's not as much area to apply it to? Thanks.

Good to see you got a nice deal, Kyle. Best of luck with this, and let me know if you have any questions along the way.

As far as application goes: The Dermatherm Target only needs a thin layer of application for good effect. You shouldn't need anymore than 2 pumps to cover what you need to with the midsection.

I do recommend you apply the 1-T to your upper shoulders/chest/back. These areas contain a higher amount of steroidogenic enzymes required for target hormone conversion. If the 5 pumps application is too much, you can try splitting it up a bit into 2 application times, but I really don't recommend that. It's best to keep it on your skin as long as you can with 1 application (12+ hours being ideal here).

-John

[Force of Green Labs]

Trauma,

Thanks a lot for answering my questions. I will apply it morning only and stick to arms, lats, shoulders and upper chest. I'll use the Target on the abs and lower/mid chest.

My order from PP came in today. Got my additional 1-Ts, Dermatherm Targets, and CLA (5 bags ought to be a nice CLA run).

[LLLLern]

Originally Posted by mmowry

I once shaved my legs to run 4ad TD so my wife wouldnt notice BUT I FORGOT the fact that the carrier smelled like citrus and my wife has a nose like a blood hound.

She was really taken back when she saw her knight in shining armor so neatly shaven and smooth.

lol nice





FOG good luck man

[GotTest]

Originally Posted by mmowry

She was really taken back when she saw her knight in shining armor so neatly shaven and smooth.

Too funny.

[GotTest]

Following along FOG

[Force of Green Labs]

Quick update:

I am applying the 1-T on my arms and shoulders in the morning along with the Dermatherm Target on my cabs, chest, and love handle area. The application of these products are nice and the smell isn't bad at all. The sensation of the Dermatherm Target isn't as bad as I remember the regular Dermatherm being. It feels nice actually. It's been a few days thus far. My carb intake is going to remain low while this small cutting phase is in effect. I may decide to have a carb-up day at some point... only if I have some good ---- laying around. Oh no, I didn't say that

[Force of Green Labs]

My strength is remaining the same on most lifts while I am carb depleting. This could be due to the massive increase in protein intake to compensate for cals. I've been eating a lot of whole meals and boring ones at that. I'll have a can of tuna with hot sauce (lowered sodium), a few handfuls of carrots, and my healthy fat combo (flax, omega-3, lecithin, sesathin, and CLA). I'll have cod liver oil with 2 meals. I haven't been keeping great track of the CLA, but I've been getting between 12-14 caps a day. I just ordered 4 more bags at bb.com.

I took yesterday off from the weights. I needed it real bad. It was a shoulder and biceps day. Whoopty-doo. Now today I'll be doing shoulders, iso leg movements, and biceps.

On my carb depletion I had a humiliating moment. I was flat benching and my glycogen stores just TANKED. While on my negative I could tell I wasn't getting it back up. I only had 225lbs loaded up. I called some dude over and politely asked him to lift the bar off my chest. haha.

Anyhow, I'm getting a better camera soon (Or finding my expensive Pentax one) and taking better pics. My current weight is still right around 220lbs and I'm a tad flat with the very low carbs, but I'm not lethargic or anything and I'm killing fat. My plan is to hold 220 and gain a little bit more mass, then phase in carbs with some carb partitioners in a different fashion (I still have a box of P-Slin and a bottle of Anabolic Pump, along with Glycobol). I still plan on ending at 235-240ish, but 5-6% bodyfat. I've got a lot of shizz for PCT including a ton of peptides (8-10 bottles of cjc, 5 hexarelin, 10 pghp-8, 6 ghrp-6, 3 ghrp-2, 3 IGF-1, and 6 original pGH vials) and I pulled out the box of supplements that I put aside when I went 'on'. Turns out I have HSP Active (2), (2) boxes of Plasmajet, and a few more goodies.

Anyhow... I'm using the Toco-8 2x per day. Once in the AM and once post-workout. Very nice product, let's see if I notice anything from it. It's a supp that should be in anyone's anti-aging arsenal IMO.

1-T has been treating me nice, application-wise. It does take a while to dry, because I apply it only to arms and shoulders and use Derm Target for my chest and abs. There is no smell or nasty residue. My arms are a little shiny for a while, but so what?

CLA: We'll see how this stuff works. It better work. haha. Dropped 100 bucks on it!

Additional notes: Primordial Performance's lotions apply very nicely. The 1-T and Dermatherm Target dry well and leave a little luster, but no big deal.

Comparisons: Dermatherm compared to: Eviscerate and Napalm - Napalm is a great carrier IMO and Eviscerate really gets the job done. I've tried Napalm with clen and loved it as well. Eviscerate is awesome, but it fudges up all my shirts that I put on, even after waiting a long time for it to dry and it has some weird chunks of ingredients in it, but it's a sick product. Dermatherm Target applies nicely and very clean. It smells good and has a hot/cold sensation. After this 4 week log of legit doses, I may keep using Dermatherm Target and add in some clen.

Any Primordial reps have thoughts on Dermatherm Target with clen? Thanks!

[Force of Green Labs]

Also, question for Primordial Performance reps... I would like to continue running this Dermatherm Target while carbing up. I may either slowly ramp up into using more carbs to pack on size. I will no doubt be in a caloric surplus. If I'm using some really good nutrient partitioners, will the Dermatherm Target still have noticeable effects on fatloss to the applied areas? Thanks.

[Force of Green Labs]

Updates:

Vascularity during the gym has already gotten better. I must confess though, I have upped the dosage of the 1-T to 8-9 pumps in the morning. My dosing regimen for the Dermatherm Target is 2 squirts on the chest, 2 on the abs, and 2 on the legs.... 2x a day. I've been going nuts with the damn topicals. I wake-up, shower and exfoliate, rub myself down... sit and formulate, source, and answer emails and pack orders stark-naked for the first 45 minutes of my day.



Abdominal, leg and chest definition are getting much better. My neighbor's girlfriend (and roomie unfortunately) is a professional photographer, but she's even crazier and more unstable than I am... so asking her to take pictures would be taking a risk. I'll probably end up getting a full size mirror at Target today and using a better camera.



Workout (night before the last night):
Legs and Shoulders: Iso movements
Leg Extensions: Maxxed out the machine... I think it was 250lbs or 255lbs: 14 reps, 12, 12, 9, 7
Leg Curls: Maxxed out the machine at 210lbs: 17 reps, 15, 12, 10, 7 with 2 forced reps
Donkey Calves: 520lbs: 19 reps, 16, 14, 12, 12, 11
Hammer Strength Shoulders: 3 plates each side: 4 sets of 10 (last one was only 8)
Lateral Raises: 35lb DBs, one arm at a time: 12, 10, 10, 6
Leg Raises: 3 sets of 20
Cardio: Arc Trainer, full resistance: 20 minutes (Industrial music was blasting out of the ipod)

Workout felt good. I feel kinda winded from low carbing it. I really only eat carbs post-workout and that's all. Cardio felt great though.

Can a PP rep please come in and answer some questions? Thanks