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celc5 · 07-21-2008, 10:40 AM

Wil, I'm 15 days into my Havoc/Furaz cycle. It's a complete dud so far in terms of lean body mass. Strength is nice though, but IMO not worth the cash and potential health risks. I get better results from trione or formestane.

I think I might dip into my superdrol stash for a short bridge at the end to see if I can squeeze out a few pounds of lean mass. If I had it to do again, I would have started off right at 40mg and then went right into 50 and 60 for the following weeks.

thewilman · 07-21-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by celc5

Wil, I'm 15 days into my Havoc/Furaz cycle. It's a complete dud so far in terms of lean body mass. Strength is nice though, but IMO not worth the cash and potential health risks. I get better results from trione or formestane.

I think I might dip into my superdrol stash for a short bridge at the end to see if I can squeeze out a few pounds of lean mass. If I had it to do again, I would have started off right at 40mg and then went right into 50 and 60 for the following weeks.

How many cals are you taking in? I will never use anabolics for a cut again, I don't think it's worth it.

Hank Vangut · 07-21-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thewilman

How many cals are you taking in? I will never use anabolics for a cut again, I don't think it's worth it.

cutting cycles are also tough because you have to do pct after.

leaves you with the tough decision to either:
increase calories to minimize muscle loss - but counteractive to your fat loss goals.
or keep cutting at the expense of muscle given lower natural hormone production during pct.

thewilman · 07-21-2008, 06:19 PM

yep...lose / lose ...I've opted to keep my cals between 2500 and 3000. I enjoyed the week and a half with Epi at 50mg and 3000 cals

celc5 · 09:50 AM

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How many cals are you taking in? I will never use anabolics for a cut again, I don't think it's worth it.

I'm at about 3500 cals/day with a steady 350g protein. That's a typical diet for me though, so I guess I need to bump it up more??? Havoc is at 40mg and strength is nice. Furaz is at 200 which I think is doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

My goals were recomp, but I'm surprised at the fat that I'm putting on, much much worse than phera. I look softer than on phera too. I do feel great though which I credit to daily dose of SameE, and not the anabolics. What a bizarre cycle experience so far,

edit: I forgot to mention that this combo does have libido absoutely through the roof. I thought that was interesting since I tend to have a sensitive libido when it comes to anabolics, AI's, and even stims.

celc5 · 08-05-2008, 10:00 AM

Just to continue to update my Havoc/Furaz experience in Wil's log. I ran Havoc 30/30/40/40 with Furaz 300/200/200/200.

I gained 8 pounds, 6 lean mass according to skinfolds. The stack was not as dry as popularly described and gave a look similar to my pheraplex experience. Strength was excellent throughout. Libido was through the roof the entire run. Strong lethargy was the only side throughout the cycle.

I believe 300mg Furaz had some very mild leaning effect. I don't believe 200mg would have any affect unless I was cutting with aggressive doses of thermogenics. In which case, the Furaz MIGHT have some muscle preservation potential. I would not personally experiment with that.

During the 4th week, I bridged in 10mg of Superdrol and a low dose of TD formestane/trione combo to protect libido and for gyno prevention. PowerFull, tyrosine, and B6 are also playing a role in prolactin prevention.

I am currently just starting week 5 overall (day 10 superdrol) and the only new side is sleep inconsistancies. I have very mild testicular atrophy as expected.