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tillicollapse · 07-23-2008, 10:36 AM

This started out as a response to the thread knocking animal paks (fucking hilarious btw, check it out), but after I started typing it I was going so in detail that I decided to just start a new thread. So here, hope you enjoy this, and sorry for the length.

First off, I’m not a rep for any company. But I'm a broke-as-shit college student so I am currently accepting offers, lol. Yes, I’m aware I only have a few posts on this board, so I expect the skeptism, but read my intro and that will explain a lot or feel free to ask me any and all questions about my opinions on products and I’ll give you the straight answer. Plus, go ahead and search some other boards for my username, and you’ll see I belong to a lot of other boards, some as long as 1 year (that’s when I started reading these forums seriously) and have never really posted more than a few times. Leanbulk just seems like a place full of supportive, constructive people, who put a lot of time into not only their own health but to the health of others as well, which has effectively guilted me into coming out of my shell to share my knowledge.

Two seconds for a serious rant....The thing that pisses me off the most about animal paks and other like companies with a marketing budget that is phenomenally overshadowing of their "research" budget, which is probably just enough to pay for a few google searches (keyword:bullshit) for ingredients, is that they make me question the legitamacy of any and all supplement companies. It was really hard to convince myself to even try prohormones once I new I was ready, because I was worried I was just going to waste my money on shit that doesn't really work, isn't what the company says it is, etc. etc. I mean honestly, who has ever heard of CEL, DNA, Fast action, Black China Labs, etc. I have personally only used CEL's Hdrol and Mdrol, and DNA's Testalate-50, which I can absolutely confirm they work and contain what they are supposed to have, first through what I can say is very firm anecdotal evidence from my own research and experience. My own experience was obviously lean muscle gain with very minimal fat gain with mdrol(yep, there was some, it happens on even the "cleanest" bulkers to add 3-4 lbs/week unless you're a 120 lb stick who shouldn't be using anyway), i've done a couple recomps with the Hdrol keeping calories at or just over maintenance and losing usually 3-4% bodyfat while staying at the same weight or only losing at most 2 lbs (works out to be ~lbs fat lost, 6-8 lbs muscle gain, if a recomp is done right you will usually lose weight at maintenance calories but in reality you have more muscle than to start with and less fat, some people just can't understand that losing weight can still result in muscle gain...I've seen it before on boards). DNA's testadrol-50 was another big risk for me, being not super popular. I finally broke down because I really wanted to try M1,4add. I gained about 25 lbs, about 9 which were due to water and took about 3-4 days into pct to completely shed (water bloat was new to me, I was super paranoid I was getting fat, lol). So between that sign and the HUGE appetite increase (eating 5500-6000 clean cals a day was no problem, usually I struggle with 4500 clean) I knew it was legit stuff. I know that CEL has had some problems with source purity of m1,4add in the past, hence they pulled, and I don’t know if you guys still know where to get it but if you do, and it’s the same source, they are putting out good stuff again and I’d love to have a company like you guys put a stand-alone m1,4add product back out there.

Mkay so bottom line, to get back on track here, is that look around and see where the respect is at. Legit companies give other legit companies their dues. Don’t look at the pretty fucking packaging or endless ads in muscle magazines for answers, because you won’t find any. Look to the people, find the people who are willing to help everyone and anyone, no matter what their level, what their affiliation is, and see what companies they respect, and that is your sign for legitimacy. I’ve seen people who are reps from other supplement companies give tons of advice to people who are running products that aren’t their own, or suggest running a product that their company doesn’t make, etc. My hat is off to those who maintain their integrity, even through the doubters. Hopefully others will read this and also decide to take the same mindset that others have exhibited. One more thank you to CEL and DNA for legit products, and might I add that I can’t wait to order products from Fast Action and Black China Labs to try out their products and give them my financial support (I'm looking to try a phera-plex clone next). To the other companies that make similar clones, I’m sorry for not mentioning your name if you have good, legit products, but I can’t just go on a naming spree here. I’ll keep my mouth open on the forums regarding companies that have served me well and those that have burned me (none have as of yet, since I am very careful in who’s stuff I use), and products that have served me well (like I said, superdrol, halodrol, and m1,4add legit clones all produce results. Pick your favorite clone.) Enough typing and tangents, I’m out for now. Peace.