AX Ergo Max Lmg (somebody please clone this!)

[bigdaddyguch]

Well I finally tried this product after it sat in the stash for a few years and am finished using now. I ran it for 4 weeks @ 20 mgs ED.

So I gained approx. 7-8lbs of solid mass. I did not experience bloating or any measurable side effects. I did have the "ON" feeling about 4 days in. The strength gains were very gradual but totally kicked in by the beginning of the 3rd week and was impressive. What I noticed the most was, even though 8lbs of solids gains may not be much to some peoples standards, I lost about 2 inches off the waist. I also leaned out alot all over. By the way my diet was not as strict as usual so I know it wasn't because of that or cardio which I did not do at all. I would compare it obviously to "Phera" because they are so close in structure minus the sides and bloating some experience. The gains and strength are also very similar which is good news because when and if Phera does get the axe then an Ergo clone could easily take its place (CEL guys are you listening?).

[bajaboy]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyguch

Well I finally tried this product after it sat in the stash for a few years and am finished using now. I ran it for 4 weeks @ 20 mgs ED.

So I gained approx. 7-8lbs of solid mass. I did not experience bloating or any measurable side effects. I did have the "ON" feeling about 4 days in. The strength gains were very gradual but totally kicked in by the beginning of the 3rd week and was impressive. What I noticed the most was, even though 8lbs of solids gains may not be much to some peoples standards, I lost about 2 inches off the waist. I also leaned out alot all over. By the way my diet was not as strict as usual so I know it wasn't because of that or cardio which I did not do at all. I would compare it obviously to "Phera" because they are so close in structure minus the sides and bloating some experience. The gains and strength are also very similar which is good news because when and if Phera does get the axe then an Ergo clone could easily take its place (CEL guys are you listening?).

didnt ax just figure phera was the cleaner compound out of the two? same gains just not at wet and phera was much easier on gyno.

[bigdaddyguch]

Originally Posted by bajaboy

didnt ax just figure phera was the cleaner compound out of the two? same gains just not at wet and phera was much easier on gyno.

Well I got gyno on Phera, pretty bad too. It went away thank God but no signs of gyno from the ergo. And yes I heard Phera was a cleaner compound but is wetter. I do have experience with Phera and a gains are close. I love Phera and I will miss it greatly if the ban goes thru. I'm just saying when that happens ergo would be a good proven alternative. Right now though there are no clones but I bet that will change in the near future.

[VICODIN]

I think ur the first person I have seen that prefers it this way around. If phera gets banned I thought this would get banned to bc it is a mix of isomers? I am ron burgandy?
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[bigdaddyguch]

Originally Posted by VICODIN

I think ur the first person I have seen that prefers it this way around. If phera gets banned I thought this would get banned to bc it is a mix of isomers? I am ron burgandy?
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I think ergo would probably squeek through but I could be wrong though. I prefer Phera over Ergo but all I'm saying is that it could be a nice alternative if Phera goes away. I dont see too many longs on Ergo and alot of people dismiss using it because its so close to Phera. Keeping that in mind if Ergo can squeek through it would be a good product to clone.

[code0824]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyguch

Well I finally tried this product after it sat in the stash for a few years and am finished using now. I ran it for 4 weeks @ 20 mgs ED.

So I gained approx. 7-8lbs of solid mass. I did not experience bloating or any measurable side effects. I did have the "ON" feeling about 4 days in. The strength gains were very gradual but totally kicked in by the beginning of the 3rd week and was impressive. What I noticed the most was, even though 8lbs of solids gains may not be much to some peoples standards, I lost about 2 inches off the waist. I also leaned out alot all over. By the way my diet was not as strict as usual so I know it wasn't because of that or cardio which I did not do at all. I would compare it obviously to "Phera" because they are so close in structure minus the sides and bloating some experience. The gains and strength are also very similar which is good news because when and if Phera does get the axe then an Ergo clone could easily take its place (CEL guys are you listening?).

Good review, glad i got 2 bottles in storage

[quigs]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyguch

I think ergo would probably squeek through but I could be wrong though. I prefer Phera over Ergo but all I'm saying is that it could be a nice alternative if Phera goes away. I dont see too many longs on Ergo and alot of people dismiss using it because its so close to Phera. Keeping that in mind if Ergo can squeek through it would be a good product to clone.

I preferred ergomax myself as well. Probably my favorite designer ever. Great stuff.

[littlrook]

just to clarify for some, we are talking about the original ergomax and not lmg which currently has clones out.

[GQ-Nemesis]

so no1 ever cloned the original ergomax ?

[bigdaddyguch]

Originally Posted by GQ-Nemesis

so no1 ever cloned the original ergomax ?

I think Juggernaut Nutrition did back in the day. If Im not mistaken it was called "MD2". Most companies did not clone it because it is so close to Phera in structure. But the main difference between the 2 is the lack of bloating and leaning out by Ergo. Phera will get you slightly stronger and put more weight on you( possibly water retention). So eventhough the are similar in chemical structure they produce different benefits depeneding what your needs are at that time. I guess Phera is more like Dbol where Ergo is more like Winstrol in comparrison to they're big brothers.