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**Sampson** · 10-23-2007, 09:36 PM

Alright, I am going to be honest guys. The last three weeks I have been busy as hell! Between school, work, and other personal obligations that I must fulfill I have not been making the gym consistantly, nor have I put in the time that I need to around here. Things are finally starting to slow down (a LITTLE) and I need to get my ass back in the gym 5-6 days a week. I am thinking about starting a new non-hormonal stack next monday. I think I want to give the new Ragnarok a shot, but what else should I stack it with? I have also heard good things about the MAN products. Anyways, looking for a solid stack here. I haven't taken a supplement other than pheraplex/mega zol in close to three months. Prior to that it was Jungle Warfare / Bad Ass Mass. I am going to go a little lighter with this one, but need some good suggestions here.

**Sampson** · 10-24-2007, 01:53 PM

cool, thanks for the help guys!

**transXisomer** · 10-24-2007, 02:11 PM

lol, well I wouldn't go for the rag due to its caffeine and arginine content. I can explain more if you would like, basically causes adrenal fatigue and blunts GH release. I personally used ragnarok and it made me feel like crap, felt dizzy, nauseous, etc but some people have used it and felt fine, so its really individual.

Im using Clout + Body Octane + Blue Print (50 day log in the review section) and have gone up 11lbs in 45 days on it. A lot of people have really liked the Mass FX + Hyperdrol X2 combo as well, im hoping to do that later this year as well. Other than that make sure you have your vitamins / minerals and EFAs covered as well. If you are looking to take the MFX + HX2 combo I would suggest having some bulk creatine monohydrate and beta alanine around, Nutraplanet right now is having a sale on everything, discounts on a lot of things + the 5% off code on the front page.

If you decide to go the MAN Sports product route, some good info on dosing and such from dinoiii:

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Originally Posted by Dinoiii

The MAN stuff all together is known as the "Straight Diesel Stack" and in my estimation could see benefit if dosed in one of three ways:

[1] Economic Plan:

Body Octane - dosed two times per day
Clout - dosed ONLY on workout days (pre-workout imperative; about 4 hours later is up to you)
Scorch - 5 days on / 2 days off ("weekend holiday") protocol I introduced on DA many moons ago
Blue Print - daily - minimum of 1 serving first thing AM (whether or not this is with food will depend on your goals, BUT R-ALA has a better fighting chance without food and the peptide-hormone secreting potential exists on an empty stomach only, so I would encourage doing this about 20-30 minutes before your first meal...make certain to couple one dose of Scorch with it for a sinificantly heightened effect)
Vaporize - 1 cap up to 3 times per day, finish off extra fish oil with generic brand that will allow you to reach my recommendations for EPA/DHA in a day

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[2] Easy Compliance Moderate Expense Plan:

Pre-workout: BO + Clout (additional dose of both about 4-6 hours later)
Scorch: Same as above (5 on / 2 off regime adjusted for tolerance)
BP: Same as above (some have had added success going as high as two doses, but this is NOT necessary to see results with this one after your first few doses...in combo with a stimulant again will heighten the effects)
Vaporize: 2 caps up to 3 times per day, finish off extra fish oil with generic brand that will allow you to reach my recommendation for EPA/DHA in a day

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[3] More Challenging Compliance Mod. Expense Plan:

First thing in AM: Clout Dose #1
Pre-workout: BO Dose #1
Post-Workout: Clout Dose #2
PM Push: BO Dose #2

Scorch: Same as above (5 on / 2 off regime adjusted for tolerance)
BP: Same as above (some have had added success going as high as two doses, but this is NOT necessary to see results with this one after your first few doses...in combo with a stimulant again will heighten the effects)
Vaporize: 2 caps up to 3 times per day, finish off extra fish oil with generic brand that will allow you to reach my recommendation for EPA/DHA in a day

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**Sampson** · 10-24-2007, 04:07 PM

thanks for the input Trans. How are you doing your stack? I might just have to go with the MAN stack....

**transXisomer** · 10-24-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LeanBulk

thanks for the input Trans. How are you doing your stack? I might just have to go with the MAN stack....

Im dosing on gym days like this:

-BP dose right before breakfast
-Clout + BO before gym

Off days:

-BP dose right before breakfast
-Clout + BO in the morning

Its a really great stack, with the great feedback + all the scientific literature supporting all the ingredients you really can't go wrong. Plus theres no proprietary blends so you know exactly how much of what you are getting. Im almost out and am about to get some more myself here