Test of CEL M-1,4ADD

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by joe1313

Can anybody tell me what Epi product works best.I am running Bold,m1,4ad and Epi in January.Solomon helped me put the cycle together.I am confused and I do not want to buy bunk.

From my knowledge PA tested IBE's Epistane a few weeks back and though he didn't say what it was, said that it was something very illegal and he emailed bb.com to have the product independently tested to check it.

But IBE says they have 3rd party test on the product to show it really is the epistane molecule... so it who you believe here.

But, other than that I think Havoc is a good Epi product.

[joe1313]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

From my knowledge PA tested IBE's Epistane a few weeks back and though he didn't say what it was, said that it was something very illegal and he emailed bb.com to have the product independently tested to check it.

But IBE says they have 3rd party test on the product to show it really is the epistane molecule... so it who you believe here.

But, other than that I think Havoc is a good Epi product.

What about epidrol?

[celc5]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

From my knowledge PA tested IBE's Epistane a few weeks back and though he didn't say what it was, said that it was something very illegal and he emailed bb.com to have the product independently tested to check it.

But IBE says they have 3rd party test on the product to show it really is the epistane molecule... so it who you believe here.

But, other than that I think Havoc is a good Epi product.

It's very difficult to decipher between the rumor mill and what has actually happened.

The trends with IBE seemed to make me wonder if there were two very different batches. During the craze of the first batch, people were gaining like 10 pounds on 4 weeks of 30-40mgs. Then there was a looooooong delay of availability. Afterwards, the trend seemed to have most running epi around 50mg for less than 10 pounds (higher dosage, less gains). I realize weight gain is not the "absolute" for determining effect but I'm just using that to illustrate my point. Any thoughts?

[RisingAgainst]

well folks.. I hate to say it... but uhh


I TOLD YOU SO!!!!

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by celc5

It's very difficult to decipher between the rumor mill and what has actually happened.

The trends with IBE seemed to make me wonder if there were two very different batches. During the craze of the first batch, people were gaining like 10 pounds on 4 weeks of 30-40mgs. Then there was a looooooong delay of availability. Afterwards, the trend seemed to have most running epi around 50mg for less than 10 pounds (higher dosage, less gains). I realize weight gain is not the "absolute" for determining effect but I'm just using that to illustrate my point. Any thoughts?

Yeah it did seem like at first gains were much more impressive, now gains are kinda 'average' and not as dramatic. The whole PH arena is getting just nasty, from now I can't recommend any small 'cloners' out there, bigger name cloners like EST, iForce, SAN are probably much more safe than these other smaller cloners (CEL, Fast Action, etc).

[celc5]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

From my knowledge PA tested IBE's Epistane a few weeks back and though he didn't say what it was, said that it was something very illegal and he emailed bb.com to have the product independently tested to check it.

transX: I did a quick search at bb and didn't really see any follow up on this topic. Any info on whether or not it was tested? Or am I underestimating a lengthy process for this sort of testing?

RA: gotta love the INTENSITY in your post... get fired up! (disclaimer: celc5 assumes no responsibility for instigating RA)

[GotTest]

I will be analyzing (GC-MS) my H-Drol from CEL on Monday. It may take a few days to find a MS spectra for comparison though, if not I may need someone to mail me a couple caps of genuine Halo for comparison.
I will keep everyone posted on my CEL H-Drol.

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by celc5

transX: I did a quick search at bb and didn't really see any follow up on this topic. Any info on whether or not it was tested? Or am I underestimating a lengthy process for this sort of testing?

RA: gotta love the INTENSITY in your post... get fired up! (disclaimer: celc5 assumes no responsibility for instigating RA)

Well I think legality kinda keeps bb.com from blatantly stating what they found on the forums, plus, they make money from selling IBE products. And testing does take a awhile so since that post was made I would still think they are running the test. They don't just do them once either, they recheck and verify findings.

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by GotTest

I will be analyzing (GC-MS) my H-Drol from CEL on Monday. It may take a few days to find a MS spectra for comparison though, if not I may need someone to mail me a couple caps of genuine Halo for comparison.
I will keep everyone posted on my CEL H-Drol.

Awesome man, if you need any genuine halo caps then you could probably make a thread about, im sure someone at LB has some.

[GotTest]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

Awesome man, if you need any genuine halo caps then you could probably make a thread about, im sure someone at LB has some.

Yeah, that's what I was hoping.
I've read several logs about CEL's Hdrol and there seem to be some pretty impressive gains, so I'm pretty confident I have Hdrol.
I just want to know what I have before throwing it in my system. I've done this with Research Chems before feeding my rats.

I'm not sure if our MS library would have the spectra. I will have to dig up the structure and do some MS interpretation from there (not my speciality but not impossible). Easier to compare an "unknown" with a standard.