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Old 11-23-2007, 09:22 AM   #21
 
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From my knowledge PA tested IBE's Epistane a few weeks back and though he didn't say what it was, said that it was something very illegal and he emailed bb.com to have the product independently tested to check it.

But IBE says they have 3rd party test on the product to show it really is the epistane molecule... so it who you believe here.

But, other than that I think Havoc is a good Epi product.
I missed this thread!
My Epi too! I have an old bottle and a new one. I guess I'll throw this on the GS/MS too.

Doesn't PA sell his own brand of supps?
If he does I really question results!
Old 11-23-2007, 11:02 AM   #22
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^^ CEL is having another test done on that batch, anyone with the white bottles of M-1,4ADD have that batch. If it comes out it is just DHEA and not M-1,4ADD CEL is said they will make it right, and to email or PM them.

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http://www.competitiveedgelabs.com/
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Old 11-23-2007, 06:22 PM   #23
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Are the rolley eyes about me or the fact that CEL said they would help out anyone with the product if it turns out bad? I think its great they will compensate people if the products turns out bad.
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Old 11-23-2007, 06:23 PM   #24
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I missed this thread!
My Epi too! I have an old bottle and a new one. I guess I'll throw this on the GS/MS too.

Doesn't PA sell his own brand of supps?
If he does I really question results!
Yeah he does (Ergopharm, GIANT Nutrition), does seem like a conflict of interest there, but PA has always done this as far back as I can remember.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:36 PM   #25
 
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PA has always done this as far back as I can remember.
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haha what a clown
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either way, what is the illegal compound, even though its not cool that there is a diff product in it, and in that case whats in it :D
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Has there been any updates on the new test results???? I looked and couldn't find any. I really want to know, got two bottles of that batch.
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Has there been any updates on the new test results???? I looked and couldn't find any. I really want to know, got two bottles of that batch.
As far as I know CEL hasn't posted the results of their testing yet, so no word yet.
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:11 PM   #30
 
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Finished some testing of my own.
CEL HDrol appears to be what it is. As I stated earlier, I don't have a standard spectra to compare it to, but was able to determine certain Mass peaks from structure.

With regards to Epistane by IBE...
I COMPARED results of "old" bottle (black cap) with "new" bottle (white cap).
Let's just say I'm waiting for response from IBE.

Not starting drama here, just keeping the masses informed.