Natural Supps VS legal PH\DS

[JrBirdMan]

what is it that makes you choose one or the other...
price? gains? sides? both are legal.

I wanted to get everyone's views on this.

I do not recommend running such a weak PCT but I'm just using it as an example. I'm only listing cycle specific products. not including proteins, fish, creatines etc...

PCT-
AX- retain2, perfect cycle
SNS- inhibit-e
Controlled labs- blue up

cycle-
EST hemadrol/propadrol "beginner's stack"

total: $170.33 or approx. 85.17\month

gains I'm going to ballpark it a 5lbs LBM after PCT. My cycles and PCT are probably total $270.

lean bulk stack approx. $110\month will it net you 5lbs. after 2 months? I don't know I haven't started taking it yet.

I understand you can run natty supps between cycles...
what makes you choose one over the other?

What is a decent month or yearly gain from using only natty supplements?

[EasyEJL]

I think you are running wrong cycle + wrong pct, and coming up with wrong gains Buy 2 fast action h-drol @ 28 each giving you 120 25mg caps., run it for 1 weeks@50, 2@75, and then @75 till the bottles are gone, or raise to 100 if the gains slow around week 5-6. $56 there. For PCT, probably run just AX Advanced PCT @28, inhibit-e @ 19 and retain 2 @ 30ish if you are really cortisol sensitive (not everyone is). Not even sure the inhibit-e is necessary, as halo isn't that strong, and the retain 2 is really mostly a nicety. Hemadrol is nice and all, but the price is high for a halo clone. And propadrol is just a funny animal in my book, so easier to particularly as a beginners cycle to just stick to the one compound

more like a total cost of around $120, that should net you 6-10lbs in the 2 months.

[Right Hook]

I feel way better ON natty supps vs PH/DS's. Plus no sides for the most part with natty supps. If your training hard with a good diet natty supps work good.

Gear is best though.

[J2jud]

Originally Posted by Travis

I feel way better ON natty supps vs PH/DS's. Plus no sides for the most part with natty supps. If your training hard with a good diet natty supps work good.

Gear is best though.

True...

[LLLLern]

wow i love this thread and cant say anything about NH stacks as I have never really tried 1 . I plan on doing the LEAN BULK STACK after the guys send it out for me ( thanks dinoii ) so with that said I want to hear the good the bad and the ugly of both as well

I think you are running wrong cycle + wrong pct, and coming up with wrong gains Buy 2 fast action h-drol @ 28 each giving you 120 25mg caps., run it for 1 weeks@50, 2@75, and then @75 till the bottles are gone, or raise to 100 if the gains slow around week 5-6. $56 there. For PCT, probably run just AX Advanced PCT @28, inhibit-e @ 19 and retain 2 @ 30ish if you are really cortisol sensitive (not everyone is). Not even sure the inhibit-e is necessary, as halo isn't that strong, and the retain 2 is really mostly a nicety. Hemadrol is nice and all, but the price is high for a halo clone. And propadrol is just a funny animal in my book, so easier to particularly as a beginners cycle to just stick to the one compound

more like a total cost of around $120, that should net you 6-10lbs in the 2 months

and easy you have a good point with the products you listed

[Sonny]

I guess we all have different reasons why we do or do not. If price is an issue than I think you should stay off them; you need money for other supps/stuff as well.

Personally, I choose the natty route. Cannot comment on the gear being the best as I have not done it; but I image it to be true. Feel free to send me any samples that you may have. Why the natty route? -less drama-lol! No sides, no ups and downs, no shut down, gains are gains not based on whether pct and beyond goes well, and frankly at this point for me the other route provides very little gains in strength to be worth it. Non-hormonal products can help you gain, it will just take more work and longer.

Also, I compete sometimes in drug tested feds. So instead of trying to beat the tests, I save myself the aggravation.

[Clickster]

I feel like total garbage while on PH's.

I seriously feel MOST people use PH's because of the faster results. I will also say MOST will say that isn't true, but they would be lying.

Keep in mind, I said MOST.

[Chefdeez]

Originally Posted by Clickster

I feel like total garbage while on PH's.

I seriously feel MOST people use PH's because of the faster results. I will also say MOST will say that isn't true, but they would be lying.

Keep in mind, I said MOST.

Agreed. I personally don't think PH's are worth it in terms of gains/sides. Almost anything can be achieved with diet and training alone, of course it will take a lot longer.

[LLLLern]

as soon as i do the lean bulk stack I will know the dif

[Chefdeez]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

as soon as i do the lean bulk stack I will know the dif

Log it?