Is P-Slin that much better Pre-WO than AP?

[Bmlax22]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

what is it?

Berberine HCL. Im very carb sensitive and these insulin mimicers, etc work great for me. Glucophase XR, R-ALA, Yellow Gold, are probobly my favorite supps out there

[LLLLern]

Originally Posted by meksi

What effective supps do you normally take then?

Water is bunk

[LBVT]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

Tru dat!



meksi, for the most part, I only take a whey protein supplement, along with vitamins. But right now, I'm running Jungle Warfare (old version) for 8 weeks. I'm about 2 weeks in. Not sure if I notice anything since my goals and training regimen are very different than what it used to be. I've read it doesn't really kick in until week 3, so that's why I'm running it for 60 days. Hopefully it helps with strength, endurance, and leaning out a little. Not expecting too much though.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by LBVT

Anabolic Pump didn't do anything for me. I used varying times, varying amounts of carbs, varying kinds of carbs, read the manual, asked numerous questions on another forum, didn't do jack. Didn't feel the heavenly pump, no change in body composition.

I agree with one of the posters on the previous page. I think many of the results people see while on AP is due to the efficiency and dialing down of the diet rather than the supplement itself.

IMO, most supps on the market are garbage.

Once again, Anabolic Pump does work. Some people do not respond to it. You did not respond to it.

[LLLLern]

Originally Posted by dexterium

Once again, Anabolic Pump does work. Some people do not respond to it. You did not respond to it.

so say out of 10 people how many did it work for?

I will be more than glad to leave great feed back if it works for me but with all the neg buzz I wont buy it . If you would like to send a bottle for me to do a write up on then I will leave honest feedback

I want to be a responder

[leonidas300]

Despite your long quote by Mullet Soldier you did not provide me with a single shred of evidence that AP or Pslin is good for building muscle in trained, healthy adults. There is no evidence, there are no studies, USP labs is mostly marketing. Cissus is a decent product for easing of joint pain and Powerful helps with my sleep a bit, but the benefits your company claims borders on the illegal. I have seen your adds where you claim that Cissus rebuilds tendons and joints and this a clear violation of the DSHEA.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by LLLLern

so say out of 10 people how many did it work for?

I will be more than glad to leave great feed back if it works for me but with all the neg buzz I wont buy it . If you would like to send a bottle for me to do a write up on then I will leave honest feedback

I want to be a responder

In the future, perhaps I will send you a bottle to do a review on.

I do not have any statistics regarding how many people Anabolic Pump works for. All I know is that there is a ton of great feedback out there for this product and I have received great results my self.

[LBVT]

Originally Posted by dexterium

In the future, perhaps I will send you a bottle to do a review on.

I do not have any statistics regarding how many people Anabolic Pump works for. All I know is that there is a ton of great feedback out there for this product and I have received great results my self.

And many of these people are fanboys on a forum, hoping to get their jollies sucked off by other males on the forum if they talk up a product. Don't forget, reps get free products, so of course they are going to say good things about the product, even if they don't believe in it, just so they get free shit.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

Despite your long quote by Mullet Soldier you did not provide me with a single shred of evidence that AP or Pslin is good for building muscle in trained, healthy adults. There is no evidence, there are no studies, USP labs is mostly marketing. Cissus is a decent product for easing of joint pain and Powerful helps with my sleep a bit, but the benefits your company claims borders on the illegal. I have seen your adds where you claim that Cissus rebuilds tendons and joints and this a clear violation of the DSHEA.

Mullet has responded:

Originally Posted by mulletsoldier

And aside from your baseless assertion that IDDM/NIDDM data is not viable, you have yet to shown me a single piece of credible science why AP does not work. Here is some data on both ingredients in Anabolic Pump. Feel free to read through them (full-texts available freely) and explain to me why, physiologically, AP as a concept is a false assertion. I do not necessarily feel the burden of proof rests on my shoulders, as you have now charged USP Labs with presenting false and misleading data; it is now time to back that charge up.

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[dexterium]

Originally Posted by LBVT

And many of these people are fanboys on a forum, hoping to get their jollies sucked off by other males on the forum if they talk up a product. Don't forget, reps get free products, so of course they are going to say good things about the product, even if they don't believe in it, just so they get free shit.

1. You are wrong and acting ridiculous.

2. You are wasting my time.

3. Anabolic Pump works and people love it because of the results it provides.