Is P-Slin that much better Pre-WO than AP?

[Bmlax22]

When I use Anabolic Pump pre-wo, the pump is great and endurance is better than normal, but is p-slin that much better?

[Beejis60]

I observed no benefit to using either product.

[egodog48]

Anabolic pump is supposed to be great for those with dialed in diets and will get an all day pump, P-slin for those that dont diet clean but will eat lots of carbs pre-workout and will most likely only see the benefits during their workout.

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by egodog48

Anabolic pump is supposed to be great for those with dialed in diets and will get an all day pump, P-slin for those that dont diet clean but will eat lots of carbs pre-workout and will most likely only see the benefits during their workout.

I think both products are powered by placebo. I admit I was taken in as well by the positive reviews and the hype machine that is USP labs. I love how a product works when a person has their diet dialed in (what product is not going to work if a person's diet is dialed in? How is a person supposed to ascertain what is causing the perceived benefits, my guess is the more consistent and clean diet is much more responsible for any changes rather than AP or PSlin) If these products held a fraction of the benefits that they are alleged to contain, USP would win the Noble prize. I wasted a decent amount of money on these products and believe they are of marginal benefit at best. ALA or R-ala is going to give similar if not better results for a much more affordable price.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

I think both products are powered by placebo. I admit I was taken in as well by the positive reviews and the hype machine that is USP labs. I love how a product works when a person has their diet dialed in (what product is not going to work if a person's diet is dialed in? How is a person supposed to ascertain what is causing the perceived benefits, my guess is the more consistent and clean diet is much more responsible for any changes rather than AP or PSlin) If these products held a fraction of the benefits that they are alleged to contain, USP would win the Noble prize. I wasted a decent amount of money on these products and believe they are of marginal benefit at best. ALA or R-ala is going to give similar if not better results for a much more affordable price.

-These products are not placebo

-Our products work

-Anabolic Pump will make your results A LOT better when your diet is dialed in.

-Sorry you didn't get what you were looking for out of these products but I and MANY OTHER people on AM and BB.com will tell you that Anabolic Pump has many positive effects.

-There is no product out there like Anabolic Pump / P-Slin. Anabolic Pump is better than ALA for nutrient partitioning.

From this point on, do not make assumptions and let's talk science.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by Bmlax22

When I use Anabolic Pump pre-wo, the pump is great and endurance is better than normal, but is p-slin that much better?

There is no doubt that P-Slin will be better than Anabolic Pump as a pre-workout supplement. However, if you're getting good results with Anabolic Pump, stick with that.

[LBVT]

And MANY OTHER people will also tell you that Anabolic Bunk didn't do shit for them.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by LBVT

And MANY OTHER people will also tell you that Anabolic Bunk didn't do shit for them.

and some of those people didn't use it properly or have a good diet. USPLabs is happy to help anyone with their diet and dosing protocol. I will say that there are some people that do not experience Anabolic Pump's benefits so it does not have a 100% success rate.

[leonidas300]

Originally Posted by dexterium

-These products are not placebo

-Our products work

-Anabolic Pump will make your results A LOT better when your diet is dialed in.

-Sorry you didn't get what you were looking for out of these products but I and MANY OTHER people on AM and BB.com will tell you that Anabolic Pump has many positive effects.

-There is no product out there like Anabolic Pump / P-Slin. Anabolic Pump is better than ALA for nutrient partitioning.

From this point on, do not make assumptions and let's talk science.

Fine lets talk science. Please direct me to studies conducted upon weight trained subjects that demonstrate that P-slin or AP is effective for what it is claimed to do. Please show me where Anabolic Pump is able to turn pasta into steroids. Give me a break. USP's products by and large and not bad, but the marketing of this company goes beyond acceptable limits.

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by leonidas300

Fine lets talk science. Please direct me to studies conducted upon weight trained subjects that demonstrate that P-slin or AP is effective for what it is claimed to do. Please show me where Anabolic Pump is able to turn pasta into steroids. Give me a break. USP's products by and large and not bad, but the marketing of this company goes beyond acceptable limits.

I got Mullet Soldier to reply with the science:

Originally Posted by mulletsoldier

Target population studies (in respects to sports nutrition) are few and far between. The primary reason is as follows: Despite the lucrative opportunities presented by trained individuals, the market opportunities for untrained, unhealthy subjects is far greater; therefore, target population studies are scarce. However, this does not automatically invalidate any data produced in IDDM/NIDDM patients, in vitro, or rat models. On the contrary, even the famous 'Vida' text by which all anabolics are disseminated was formed using rat models. However, most of the research surrounding both Berberine and Banaba is not rat model, but NIDDM/Obese subjects. Obviously, the Insulinemic/Glycemic response in Obese/NIDDM subjects differs from normal subjects; such metabolic scenarios were most likely causative factors in creating the disease in the patients (along with genetically inherited traits) as well as exacerbating conditions. With that being said, certain conditional parameters of energy/glucose metabolism remain analogous with Obese/NIDDM and non-obese individuals.

Due to NIDDM associated hyperinsulimia, the Insulin dependent factors of glucose metabolism in NIDDM patients are greatly deficient; this includes IR and IR subtype response to Insulin site-bonding, reduced GLUT4 mRNA content and stability, as well as Islet Cell degradation. All of these factors additively contribute to deficient glucose and energy metabolism. However, certain parameters are not as adversely effected due to their more diverse role in the energy metabolism pathways. Such parameters are AMPk and p38-MAPK expression, as well as the phosphorylation of Glucose into non-carbohydrate intermediates; such as ATP, and thereby increasing the AMP:ATP ratio to which AMPk responds. Now, I bring these up for the following reason: While solely modulating Insulin-Dependent pathways in the obese and/or diabetics is not telling of biochemical response in trained individuals, modulating energy response factors which are not Insulin-Dependent is. If a product modulates these energy response and metabolization mechanisms which are more or less unchanged in phenotypes, the possibility for replication in trained individuals remains high.

Further, rat models often have one fatal flaw, and it is not related to biochemical reactions or pharmacodynamics, but rather plausibility - that is, most rad models have low validity factors in human models because of the unfathomably high mg/kg dosages used, or the direct introduction (i.e., intravenous administration) of the compound to the bloodstream. Fortunately, with Berberine and Banaba, you will find the dosages used are replicable; and, in fact are in NIDDM studies. If you wish, I can provide the data to support these claims, but felt some necessary explanation was in order prior to that.