Waxy Maize Information

[Sampson]

Can somebody please fill be in on the purpose and effectivness of Waxy Maize products? I hear a lot of people talk about them, and from what I gather its just carbs that are absorbed quickly.....is this pretty much the jist of it? If so, what results should one expect from using a product like this?

I am currently doing a very low carb diet during the week, and then saturday lots of simple carbs, sunday lots of complex carbs, and then repeat. Where would this fit into my diet?

Below is an example of my diet from yesterday:

Breakfast - 3 eggs - 225 cal 15.0 fat 3.0 carb 18.0 protein

Lunch (about an hour before workout) - Grilled Burger w/ slice of fat free cheese - 360 cal 28g fat 2g carb 23g protein

Post Workout - 10oz skim milk and scoop of protein - 230 cal 1.5g fat 19g carb 34g protein

Mid Afternoon Meal - 2 Lemon Herb Chicken Breasts - 280 cal 7g fat 4g carb 50g protein

Dinner - Grilled Burger w/ slice of fat free cheese - 360 cal 28g fat 2g carb 23g protein

Throughout the day ate some lightly salted dry roasted peanuts when hungry : 320cal 28.0g fat 6.0g carb 14.0g protein

Totals: 1,775cal 107.5g fat 35.7g carb 162.0g protein

Fat (55%)
Carbs (8%)
Protein (37%)

With this said, I am going to be running the following cycle starting Monday:

Weeks 1-6: Mega Zol 300mg/day
Weeks 1-4: Epistane 50/60/60/70
Weeks 4-6: M-Drol 10/20/20

I will probably be upping my calories to about 2250-2500 during cycle, but will still be eating at a deficit.

So, to sum it all up, does Waxy Maize fit into my diet, and if so where? What would be the benefits of spending the $$$$?

[TinyMan]

Originally Posted by Sampson

Can somebody please fill be in on the purpose and effectivness of Waxy Maize products? I hear a lot of people talk about them, and from what I gather its just carbs that are absorbed quickly.....is this pretty much the jist of it? If so, what results should one expect from using a product like this?

Waxy Maize products are a very high molecular weight molecule (amylopectin) - over 500,000, and the claim being that it absorbs incredibly quickly and bypasses the normal digestion mechanisms via something of a carrier vacuum. Or at least, that's the claim. Also tends not to have the bloating and insulin ride that maltodextrin gives you (crashing). Results should probably be more pleasant than maltodextrin in the energy ride, I definitely feel less bloated after using this compared to maltodextrin (I always feel sick after that).

I am currently doing a very low carb diet during the week, and then saturday lots of simple carbs, sunday lots of complex carbs, and then repeat. Where would this fit into my diet?

Since I'm not familiar with your diet in particular, hard to say. If your workout is under an hour or so, I'd say no REAL need for intraworkout (for LONG workouts such as cycling, carbs intra is not a bad idea). Popular times are pre and post. No other times than surrounding your workout. Not useful throughout the day at all. Looking at your current plan I would incorporate it pre-workout on its own. Maybe mixed with free-form aminos at most, I'm not sure if mixing with protein will disrupt the absorbtion pattern - it very well may.

So, to sum it all up, does Waxy Maize fit into my diet, and if so where? What would be the benefits of spending the $$$$?

Depends if you want to add more carbs. If you can stand say another 30g on workout days then it may be worth it. WMS is largely good for people who are trying to replace the old dextrose/whey maltodextrin/whey and similar shakes where you are just switching sources. IMO main benefits are:

1) water spillage
2) not so sweet (chalky texture)
3) Crashing from all that damn sugar
4) glycogen replenishment (you are unlikely to actually need this)

In reality as far as actual results... I'm not so sold. I'm currently using WMS, I've got 5lbs of it or so. It's convenient stuff, it's easy to drink, and it doesn't leave me feeling bloated/gross like that maltodextrin crap will. That's a big plus on its own .

[machinehead]

In my experience, it's no different from other 'refined' carb sources in terms of results, but it has the advantage of not being sweet. I add it to almost all my carb meals of the day to avoid stuffing myself on things I am sick of eating and to meet my macro an calorie goals. Normal corn starch will probably do just fine for that purpose, but I have troubles finding it in alrge enough packages at the food stores I frequent.

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by Sampson

Can somebody please fill be in on the purpose and effectivness of Waxy Maize products? I hear a lot of people talk about them, and from what I gather its just carbs that are absorbed quickly.....is this pretty much the jist of it? If so, what results should one expect from using a product like this?

I am currently doing a very low carb diet during the week, and then saturday lots of simple carbs, sunday lots of complex carbs, and then repeat. Where would this fit into my diet?

Below is an example of my diet from yesterday:

Breakfast - 3 eggs - 225 cal 15.0 fat 3.0 carb 18.0 protein

Lunch (about an hour before workout) - Grilled Burger w/ slice of fat free cheese - 360 cal 28g fat 2g carb 23g protein

Post Workout - 10oz skim milk and scoop of protein - 230 cal 1.5g fat 19g carb 34g protein

Mid Afternoon Meal - 2 Lemon Herb Chicken Breasts - 280 cal 7g fat 4g carb 50g protein

Dinner - Grilled Burger w/ slice of fat free cheese - 360 cal 28g fat 2g carb 23g protein

Throughout the day ate some lightly salted dry roasted peanuts when hungry : 320cal 28.0g fat 6.0g carb 14.0g protein

Totals: 1,775cal 107.5g fat 35.7g carb 162.0g protein

Fat (55%)
Carbs (8%)
Protein (37%)

With this said, I am going to be running the following cycle starting Monday:

Weeks 1-6: Mega Zol 300mg/day
Weeks 1-4: Epistane 50/60/60/70
Weeks 4-6: M-Drol 10/20/20

I will probably be upping my calories to about 2250-2500 during cycle, but will still be eating at a deficit.

So, to sum it all up, does Waxy Maize fit into my diet, and if so where? What would be the benefits of spending the $$$$?

Some good info from tiny

Since I think I know what you are doing, this is how I use my WMS. Friday after your workout you begin your carb up (protein + carbs) so my shake will usually have 50g WMS, 50g PRO. From there, for the first 24 hour period, I usually make me a dextrose koolaid (sometimes with EAAs thrown in). You could make it with WMS if you like, just a bit more costly. Saturday (the last half of your first 24 hour period) you should wake up and down some WMS then as well. Just think of it as fast acting carbs. Do I think its super special? No. Do I think there is a better carb source than WMS? Yes. I would recommend vitargo, specifially GenR8.

[Sampson]

Great info so far guys, appreciate it, and keep it coming!

[Right Hook]

It's something that I personally am not willing to spend money on. But I'm a carb hater so you can obviously see why I dont want something like WMS in my diet.

[TinyMan]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

Some good info from tiny

Since I think I know what you are doing, this is how I use my WMS. Friday after your workout you begin your carb up (protein + carbs) so my shake will usually have 50g WMS, 50g PRO. From there, for the first 24 hour period, I usually make me a dextrose koolaid (sometimes with EAAs thrown in). You could make it with WMS if you like, just a bit more costly. Saturday (the last half of your first 24 hour period) you should wake up and down some WMS then as well. Just think of it as fast acting carbs. Do I think its super special? No. Do I think there is a better carb source than WMS? Yes. I would recommend vitargo, specifially GenR8.

I really wouldn't bother with the WMS on waking. The extra minutes to start the absorbtion process really isn't that necessary - arguably, it is really not necessary for the workout style of most individuals, but that's another story

[usf97j4x4]

Nice pump
No bloating
Not filling

Vitargo or Karbolyn = only ways to go

[transXisomer]

Originally Posted by TinyMan

I really wouldn't bother with the WMS on waking. The extra minutes to start the absorbtion process really isn't that necessary - arguably, it is really not necessary for the workout style of most individuals, but that's another story

Well on a cyclic ketogenic diet like sampson is doing he is actually supposed to be waking up every 2 hours during his first 24 hour period and its easiest to have something you can just down, so WMS could fit the bill here. Like I said I don't think WMS is all that special, just for me personally it doesn't leave me as bloated / full and with rebound hypo like dextrose sometimes does. Also during your first 24 hour period, its advisable to drink a good portion of your carbs as well because its kinda hard getting them from a solid food source.

[TinyMan]

Originally Posted by transXisomer

Well on a cyclic ketogenic diet like sampson is doing he is actually supposed to be waking up every 2 hours during his first 24 hour period and its easiest to have something you can just down, so WMS could fit the bill here. Like I said I don't think WMS is all that special, just for me personally it doesn't leave me as bloated / full and with rebound hypo like dextrose sometimes does. Also during your first 24 hour period, its advisable to drink a good portion of your carbs as well because its kinda hard getting them from a solid food source.

Ah, I see. Yes if you are needing to wake up every two hours like that, then I do agree that WMS isn't a half bad source. The dextrose rollercoaster is just not pleasant IMO.