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waverebelforev1 · 10-08-2009, 11:01 AM

STATS
266lbs
6'6''
12% body fat

I am on a PCT right now

AX PCT Assist
Hypertest

finnishing up a bottle of:
NaNOVapor
muscletech Halo
Bcaa's
Glucosamine
Fish Oil
Super Cissus

I am looking for a different (and GREAT)
Creatine (considering Man sports Clout by MAN or Green Mag)
Pre workout (considering Smash since i had good experience in the past)

I am looking for input based on experience from you guys what has worked... and i hear good things about beta-alanine but have only taken it when its already included in a blend and wouldnt know what the propper dose would be for me

I work out 2 on 1 off split training style, very heavy very intense and want to be backed by some good products!!

Considering
Smash + Hemodraulix PRE workout
and Green Mag post workout before my protein

My concer with this is the AA in hemo and joint pain since i have joint issues

PS with any POST workout supplement, if a drink, id prefer it to not include protein since I like to make a shake with my ON protein of about 60gs of protein

oak2429 · 10-08-2009, 11:46 AM

You should try Anadraulic State by Lg. I love it for a preworkout. I also like Cold Fusion and you can get it real cheap. some of my other favs are NO Explode, Smash, and WTF Pump. If you want just plain Beta alanine. i have bout 500 grams of it im trying to trade for something

waverebelforev1 · 10-08-2009, 03:59 PM

i like your suggestion.. never really looked at Anadraulic state... You do represent the company though which is good and bad for a recomendation

I looked up a label and I couldnt find exactly how much creatine is in it? and or arginine? can you explain?

and with an anti armatase in it shouldnt it be cycled?

User Name · 10-09-2009, 08:28 AM

Just wondering if anyone has used Tokkyo Nutrition Products? If so what did you think? I recently tried Tokkyo Stack and it seemed to work great. I went from 190 to 204 and lowered my bodyfat by 3%. Having said that i was also training with a different crew so i guess I am undecided if it was the supps or the training.

B-natural · 10-09-2009, 08:40 AM

Pre-workout Powders:
MST RagNOrok Ultra (

it's coming)
AL Smash FL
MAN Clout

I like the above as they all contain a fair amount of creatine, NO boosters, good energy balance formulas, Beta-Alanine.

With the creatine in the above supplements, there isn't a real need for additional creatine

Djinn · 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-natural

Pre-workout Powders:
MST RagNOrok Ultra (

it's coming)
AL Smash FL
MAN Clout

I like the above as they all contain a fair amount of creatine, NO boosters, good energy balance formulas, Beta-Alanine.

With the creatine in the above supplements, there isn't a real need for additional creatine

I've said it about a dozen times on here, Ragnorok(MST) and Assault (Muscle Pharm) are the best pre workouts in my opinion. Ragnorok Ultra should be interesting. If you want a tester for Ultra I've been an MST fanboy for a while

heh heh heh

If you don't like stims though Assault does have a kick of caffeine. Rag comes in a non caffeine variety. Xyience NO-XCG is also non caffeinated and I take it for the glutamine post workout even though its pre workout drink.

Vitamin C post workout is a must. It reduces inflammation and some crazy whack job did a study on how it promotes anabolism. BCAAs right after are also good as is obviously protein. Strange that someone hasnt created a post workout drink with all of the above in it. I think Universal and Controlled Labs have something close (Torrent and Golden Finish) but don't know of any others.