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Okay. We do not expect a 100% success rate..it will never happen with any supplement or drug.

Just an odd way to label a company garbage, but with growth, the hate follows. I need to learn not to be so sensitive.

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There's no hate, I feel you just took the term garbage directed at one product wrongly, as in you felt it was directed at the company.
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shady ......
Any particular reason. I'm here and willing to discuss and listen.
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WELL THE PACAGING FOR SAMPLES WAS REAL SHADY AND THE CAPS WERE DUSTY LIKE THEY WERE MADE AT HOME NOT SEALED CAPS PLAIN WHITE BOTTLE NO LABLE
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There's no hate, I feel you just took the term garbage directed at one product wrongly, as in you felt it was directed at the company.
Products are a reflection of the company.

I know without doubt the end user wants results but do they expect them 100% of the time? If it dose not work for them is that the justification to label it garbage?

Honest questions.
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Products are a reflection of the company.

I know without doubt the end user wants results but do they expect them 100% of the time? If it dose not work for them is that the justification to label it garbage?

Honest questions.
Allow me to publicly apologize... let's say:

I had a poor experience with PowerFULL and find the original version (the one which I used, not the 1-carboxy one) to be subpar, HOWEVER, I feel that USP labs seems to be a decent supplement company, (even without my boy Dirk )
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I actually have tried PowerFULL about a year ago, and really like the product. I couldn't tell too much of a difference when I was actually taking it, but once I stopped taking it I really noticed that my pumps were lacking and my sleep was nowhere close to where it was while taking this product. One of the few USPLabs products that I have tried, but it certainly in my opinion wasnt "Garbage"
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WELL THE PACAGING FOR SAMPLES WAS REAL SHADY AND THE CAPS WERE DUSTY LIKE THEY WERE MADE AT HOME NOT SEALED CAPS PLAIN WHITE BOTTLE NO LABLE
The new PSLin samples are in blister packs and boxes and Capsules where shipped in bulk containers for samples from our gMP facility. In transit some capsules opened (happens when you ship 100,000 capsules).

In any case, we will approach free sampling differently. We wplogloize to you sir.
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The new PSLin samples are in blister packs and boxes and Capsules where shipped in bulk containers for samples from our gMP facility. In transit some capsules opened (happens when you ship 100,000 capsules).

In any case, we will approach free sampling differently. We wplogloize to you sir.
I would of felt a lot safer if it looked a little more personal

so with that I wont buy it because of that


maybe a real sample will do
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Jacob, I do NOT believe we have interacted much, if at all...I am not here too jump on the barrage of USP haters, I could care to take part in that exercise...my time is much more valuable, however...I would encourage alternate language when trying to convince people to join in your plight. I have highlighted a few areas below:



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DO NOT BELIEVE ME just look up the reference below as the studies do not lie.
Studies LIE all the time! Their essential funding and various vested interest groups is probably the biggest rationale, but there are also others we could discuss, and then perhaps there remains a dearth of existing toxicology data that could certainly confound a valuably-discussed efficacy if the LD50 doesn't seem to match up.



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In a completely different study performed by Greenspan**, one ingredient in PowerFULL was shown to increase GH production by an incredible 221%!
221% - ...Compared to?



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This proves without a shadow of a doubt PowerFULL contains all-nautral organic ingredients that rival the effects of synthetic Human Growth Hormone!
Careful with this statement...this is not only overstepping in the realms of particular delivery systems, but also a completely fallous statement. Your studies may "support" your claims...but "proving without a shadow of a doubt" - hmmmm, I have mine...



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In addition, these levels are substantially higher than those seen with GHB, the notoriously famous drug, which had a large following many years ago for its supposed ability to decrease fat mass, amongst other things.
Anectdotally, do you think people who have used GHB would choose your product over the actual drug? If the answer is no, then you got some "splainin'" to do.



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PowerFULL’s ingredients reach the blood stream 100% faster, proved to be 110% higher and lasted 165% longer!#

Safety

In addition, the 100% organic ingredients in PowerFULL have been proven extremely safe an effective, unlike synthetic Growth Hormone or synthetic L-dopa.#
Have you actually read that anti-Parkinsonian research?

Again...my full encouaragement would be to be very careful with your language usage here.




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Jacob, I do NOT believe we have interacted much, if at all...I am not here too jump on the barrage of USP haters, I could care to take part in that exercise...my time is much more valuable, however...I would encourage alternate language when trying to convince people to join in your plight. I have highlighted a few areas below:





Studies LIE all the time! Their essential funding and various vested interest groups is probably the biggest rationale, but there are also others we could discuss, and then perhaps there remains a dearth of existing toxicology data that could certainly confound a valuably-discussed efficacy if the LD50 doesn't seem to match up.





221% - ...Compared to?





Careful with this statement...this is not only overstepping in the realms of particular delivery systems, but also a completely fallous statement. Your studies may "support" your claims...but "proving without a shadow of a doubt" - hmmmm, I have mine...





Anectdotally, do you think people who have used GHB would choose your product over the actual drug? If the answer is no, then you got some "splainin'" to do.





Have you actually read that anti-Parkinsonian research?

Again...my full encouaragement would be to be very careful with your language usage here.


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I welcome your discourse. I was replying to blanket statement of "garbage" from the administrator of the board (which has been solved by private message).

Your questioning is more sufficient.


221% - ...Compared to Placebo.


Careful with this statement...this is not only overstepping in the realms of particular delivery systems, but also a completely fallous statement. Your studies may "support" your claims...but "proving without a shadow of a doubt" - hmmmm, I have mine...

Well, We have a pretty solid argument.

Have you actually read that anti-Parkinsonian research?

Are you referring to the reference posted or in general? The increase found in HGH was not in parkinson patients but healthy subjects.

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