While The Boss is Away....v4.0

[Hank Vangut]

seems that most people that hang around the fitness forums don't use pump products much anymore.
i think they are more for the n3wbs like meski, and trank.

[xjsynx]

Protein: More Muscle, Less Guesswork

Quick review: The RDA for protein — the "official" number that doctors, nutritionists, and researchers use as the baseline for all policies and recommendations — is 0.38 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day for an average adult.

That, they say, is enough dietary protein to maintain a healthy metabolism and allow for muscle repair and rebuilding in 97.5 percent of the American population. If you're part of the muscular minority — a competitive bodybuilder or strength athlete — the recommendation doubles, to 0.77 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day.

So if you weigh 200 pounds, your range of acceptable protein intake would be somewhere between 76 and 154 grams per day, or between two and four chicken breasts.

Bodybuilders, however, have our own playbook. For most of us trying to add muscle, or hoping to retain it while cutting, the minimum is usually 1 gram of protein per pound per day. At 200 pounds, that's still just 200 grams of protein, or the equivalent of five chicken breasts, which wouldn't strike any serious musclehead as excessive.

Then there's the frequency debate. If you're a mainstream doctor or nutritionist, you're probably invested in the idea of "calories in vs. calories out." In other words, the frequency or timing of your meals doesn't matter. All that matters is how many total calories you eat.

If bodybuilders are wrong and mainstream nutritional science is correct, we can certainly save a lot of time, money, and hassle by eating less high-quality protein, and worrying less about such details as frequency and timing.

So which side is right?

[bitterplacebo]

Originally Posted by Travis

I concur. Weird thing though I thought that PA once said inj'ing a bicep with bac water could somehow make a bicep bigger (even after the water dissapates). He was talking in terms of IGF though arguing that it does not produce localized growth. I might not remember that accurately though...

He's arguing that it's simply the injection of fluid into muscle that's beneficial to growth?

That could make sense if you compare it to how some people use synthol to help provide a more expansive environment for muscle tissue to grow into.

[NateW]

I still have a bottle of Nitrix in my cupboard from like 2 years ago. I think it helps for a little while Like if im goin to the beach or something I do feel it when I take it on an empty stomach but I dont think it helps my muscle building at all

[xjsynx]

Originally Posted by Hank Vangut

seems that most people that hang around the fitness forums don't use pump products much anymore.
i think they are more for the n3wbs like meski, and trank.

Anymore huh? Bad enough they started; however, ever post I read about x supplement is the so called 'pump'...

[NateW]

back in the day when I was an uber newb I bought muscle tech pumptech. for some reason just taking the pills pumped me up like even if I didnt workout. I dont know what was in it but it defintitely gave me a pump.

[xjsynx]

How much is enough?

As a scientist with a focus on nutritional interventions, I take
serious issue with the way the RDA was calculated. And, if it were
up to me, I'd explain to Testosterone readers the
benefits and drawbacks of different methods for measuring how the
body uses protein. My editor, though, has other ideas.

He says it makes his eyeballs bleed to read phrases like
"indicator amino acid oxidation," and I respect that.
Still, for the record, I think there's a strong scientific
argument against the methods used to calculate RDAs, and a strong
argument in favor of a more accurate system.

So I'll spare you the technicalities of that argument.
Instead, let's look at what's behind Door #2:

In a fat-loss study conducted recently at our lab at OU, we
recruited a group of sedentary but otherwise healthy adults (both
genders), and assigned each person to one of three groups.

The first group (shown in the charts below as CON) did nothing
except allow us to keep track of their diet. Like typical American
adults, they eat more protein than the RDA suggests (about a
half-gram per pound of body weight per day, which is 21 percent
higher than the RDA), and about three grams of carbohydrate for
every gram of protein.

The second group (EX) ate that same diet, but added exercise:
two days a week of strength training, three days a week of
endurance work.

The third group (EXFS) exercised and also added one or two
protein shakes a day. They averaged 0.72 grams of protein per pound
of body weight per day. That's about 60 percent more protein
than the other two groups. [2]

Results from the Lockwood, et al. (2008) study:

The first thing that jumps out: Even with a crappy diet, the
first exercise group (EX) lost some fat — about two pounds in
the 10-week study. But by adding one or two protein shakes a day
(one shake per day for the first two weeks, two shakes for the next
eight weeks), the final group lost more than twice as much,
dropping about five and a half pounds, on average.

When you put newbies on a five-times-a-week workout program that
includes strength and endurance, you expect them to add a bit of
muscle while they drop some fat. So it's no big surprise that
the first exercise group would gain a bit of muscle (about half a
pound) while dropping some fat.

As before, the extra-protein group got twice the benefit, adding
a pound of muscle to go with the loss of five pounds of fat. Even
for newbies, that's not bad for just 10 weeks!

[xjsynx]

BTW

I am saying WTF....no stim effect and have more of a headache than anything...

So, don't think I would ever buy WTF Pumped

[bitterplacebo]

Originally Posted by xjsynx

BTW

I am saying WTF....no stim effect and have more of a headache than anything...

So, don't think I would ever buy WTF Pumped

think that's from arginine because you're not used to supplementing it.